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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2009, 11:24:05 AM »

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I take this years bench at the beginning of the season vs. the title team's bench any day of the week

plus Danny's not done!
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2009, 11:43:04 AM »

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I already have Chris, thank you.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2009, 11:50:57 AM »

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It depends though. Our bench in 08 would be great against the Cavs, while our current bench would be better against the Magic.

It's all about matchups. I do think we should be fine though. Our PG situation in 08 was even worse than it is now (Rondo playing less minutes and House as the absolute backup).
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2009, 12:03:17 PM »

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Quote from: GKC on July 19, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
It depends though. Our bench in 08 would be great against the Cavs, while our current bench would be better against the Magic.

It's all about matchups. I do think we should be fine though. Our PG situation in 08 was even worse than it is now (Rondo playing less minutes and House as the absolute backup).

I think this bench will create more mismatches. 

They have issues guarding KG on the pick and roll.  Now they can use Wallace on the pick and roll when KG is on the bench.  And when both KG and Wallace are on the floor, how do Shaq or Big Z guard one of them?
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2009, 12:34:39 PM »

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Definitely this bench
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2009, 12:43:21 PM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on July 19, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: GKC on July 19, 2009, 11:50:57 AM
It depends though. Our bench in 08 would be great against the Cavs, while our current bench would be better against the Magic.

It's all about matchups. I do think we should be fine though. Our PG situation in 08 was even worse than it is now (Rondo playing less minutes and House as the absolute backup).

I think this bench will create more mismatches. 

They have issues guarding KG on the pick and roll.  Now they can use Wallace on the pick and roll when KG is on the bench.  And when both KG and Wallace are on the floor, how do Shaq or Big Z guard one of them?

I was actually thinking defensively. If we bench Perk or KG, we have someone to deal with Dwight. Against Cleveland though, one of the most important qualities of our bench was having Posey come in and dealing with Lebron James, or having us go small with Posey at the PF to up the scoring since Big Z can be defended by just KG; somethign our current bench cannot do as effectively.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2009, 12:56:15 PM »

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The bench could be Sheed, me, Champzilla, Roy Hobbs and Scal....this year's bench is already better than the championship season.

Factor in House filling in his role very nicely, Marquis Daniels, the PG we will sign (Marbury?)  and it's not even close.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2009, 12:57:04 PM »

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Do you guys think BBD gives up some defense when he's in. It seems he gets abused alot..
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2009, 12:59:33 PM »

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Quote from: JHTruth on July 19, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Do you guys think BBD gives up some defense when he's in. It seems he gets abused alot..
It really depends on the matchup, against post players I think he does a good job. Against perimeter players he has problems because he can't challenge jump shots and has trouble moving with guys like Rashard.

He's not nearly the help defender Perk/KG are because he's not a shot blocker, I think that's probably what you're referring too.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2009, 01:05:00 PM »

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Posey's daggers were huge. But Sheed has maybe hit more huge playoff shots on this team than anyone not named Ray Allen. Sheed has played in more playoff games than any current C's player.

I think Sheed is better than Posey and PJ rolled into one. And Posey wasn't THAT great at guarding LeBron. Paul did most of that work. Maybe people don't realize how huge the Sheed pick-up was..
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2009, 01:05:36 PM »

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there will NEVER be a time where there's not a shot blocker in green.

Blocks per game. (career)

Perkins- 1.4
Garnett- 1.6
Wallace- 1.4
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2009, 01:05:58 PM »

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Quote from: JHTruth on July 19, 2009, 01:05:00 PM
Maybe people don't realize how huge the Sheed pick-up was..

It will become pretty apparent by mid November I'm sure.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2009, 01:06:43 PM »

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Quote from: Fafnir on July 19, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: JHTruth on July 19, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Do you guys think BBD gives up some defense when he's in. It seems he gets abused alot..
It really depends on the matchup, against post players I think he does a good job. Against perimeter players he has problems because he can't challenge jump shots and has trouble moving with guys like Rashard.

He's not nearly the help defender Perk/KG are because he's not a shot blocker, I think that's probably what you're referring too.

Agreed.  Although I will say that he is still a very good team defender, even though he is not a shot blocker.  He is a tremendous positional defender...at least when he is really trying.  The problem at the end of last season was that when he started playing 30 minutes a game, suddenly his defensive intensity dropped substantially, and he started missing a lot of rotations he was making better than anyone other than Perk and Garnett early in the season.  
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2009, 01:12:21 PM »

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Quote from: Chris on July 19, 2009, 01:06:43 PM
Quote from: Fafnir on July 19, 2009, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: JHTruth on July 19, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Do you guys think BBD gives up some defense when he's in. It seems he gets abused alot..
It really depends on the matchup, against post players I think he does a good job. Against perimeter players he has problems because he can't challenge jump shots and has trouble moving with guys like Rashard.

He's not nearly the help defender Perk/KG are because he's not a shot blocker, I think that's probably what you're referring too.

Agreed.  Although I will say that he is still a very good team defender, even though he is not a shot blocker.  He is a tremendous positional defender...at least when he is really trying.  The problem at the end of last season was that when he started playing 30 minutes a game, suddenly his defensive intensity dropped substantially, and he started missing a lot of rotations he was making better than anyone other than Perk and Garnett early in the season.  

Another thing about Baby is that he only averages 5Reb per game as a starter, but his ability to box out gets his teammates easier rebounds. So his huge body improves the teams ability to get the board, even if he doesn't get it himself.
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Re: Championship Bench vs Current Bench
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2009, 01:30:15 PM »

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TP Brick, that was good.
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