If Daniels signs the LLE, then...

[nickagneta]

the other shoe has to drop and that means a trade. It's not going to be a trade of epic proportions, but I believe we will have already seen the last games played for a couple of our Green Boys. So, let's take a look at this. If Marquis Daniels does sign a 2 year $3.998 million/2-year deal with the Celtics and the Celtics match a Big Baby offer, this will be their roster:

Rondo/House/Pruitt
Allen/Allen/Giddens
Pierce/Daniels/Walker
KG/Baby/Scal
Perk/Wallace

While that's an impressive lineup, I find it still lacking as it is going to force Rondo into playing 40+ MPG every time we have a close game. That's not a prospect I am looking forward to seeing. We have no real back up point, as, as far as I am concerned, Eddie House, though listed as a PG, is really a SG and I am doubting that Pruitt is on this team any longer after August 1st, the date by which Ainge has to pick up his option.

So I think Danny will become Trader Dan once more and throw a package together that will have one or more of the following traded for that needed, back up PG: Eddie House, Tony Allen, Brian Scalabrine, Bill Walker, J R Giddens and the rights to Lester Hudson, our can't miss 58th pick in the draft. So who could he trade with?

Charlotte - I know that the Bobcats played DJ Augustin and Raymond Felton side by side last year but I don't see that as a long term solution, especially if they sign Allen Iverson who is a ball dominant player. One would have to go and with a lack of SG depth on that team, it would appear the Bobcats would be a good fit to our shoe.

Chicago - It would appear that with Ben Gordon signing elsewhere, Lindsay Hunter's resigning, and with Rose having a coming out party of sorts in last years playoffs, that Chicago is going to be in need of wing help and a need to move Kirk Hinrich. His salary is large and the contract is cumbersome but it also runs out when KG's does at the end of the current window. Would House, Tony and Scal be enough for Hinrich?

Dallas - this is more of a wish than it is logic. I would love to see Jose Juan Barea return to the city of Boston and be Rondo's back up. The Mavs have Kidd and Terry and just drafted Roddy Beaubois, who looked to have a decent Summer League for Dallas.The Mavericks could definitely use some back up wings to have behind Marion.

Washington - with the return of a healthy Agent Zero the Wiz will have three PGs that all warrant playing time. I think either Jarvais Crittendon or Mike James might have to go to bring in a three point shooting back up wing.

Those are but a few of possibilities and Danny still has free agency as an action available to him as Earl Watson, Tyronne Lue and Flip Murray are others out there as PGs that have yet to be signed.

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't think we have the pieces to get Felton, Hinrich, or Barea.  It's doubtful that Washington gives us Crittendon after trading a #1 for him.  James is a possibility, but would we want him?

I think free agency is more likely.  I like Watson a lot, although he may try for more than the minimum.  Lue is a fairly realistic option, I think.

[P2]

If Baby comes back, we have a set 9-man rotation already, with a bench of Sheed/Baby/Daniels/House. Daniels will play the backup 2/3, and House the backup 1/2.

But I hope we sign another big and/or point guard, maybe even a backup SF if Daniels is going to play backup 1/2, and to do that, we would clearly have to free up roster space. The only way I can think of right now, is acquiring Daniels in a sign-and-trade deal for (HOPEFULLY!) Tony Allen + Giddens/Pruitt/Walker, in order to have Daniels be signed for an amount he actually likes ($2.5M - $3.0M).

I don't think Daniels would really sign for two years at the LLE when his value is probably twice that much, and I also don't think Danny wants to have the backup SF debate again next year. So the only way is a sign-and-trade where Daniels signs for something like 3yr/$10M.

[JBcat]

Daniels can handle the ball pretty well so on offense he could handle some of the PG responsibilities and let House play off the ball.  It's almost ideal because it allows House to guard the PG on defense and Daniels the SG.  This factor alone I think we will be able to keep Rondo at about 35 MPG which is fine.

If we signed a true PG we would have the same problem as last year with smallish backcourt of House and Marbury which is not the best thing on the defensive end.  You could include House in a deal for a true point so you have the true pg and Daniels as backup guards however I really like having the option of putting House in the end of close games.

If we get BBD back I could see Danny holding pat for a while and see how the rotation plays itself out.  TA and Scal will be more attractive contracts as we get closer to the trade deadline in February so I see no need to rush it now.  The starters, Sheed, BBD, Daniels, and House would be a really nice 9 man rotation to start the season and you may finally see someone like Walker given the chance for spot minutes and be a physical 3 when we would need at times. 

[screwedupmaniac]

If Baby comes back, we have a set 9-man rotation already, with a bench of Sheed/Baby/Daniels/House. Daniels will play the backup 2/3, and House the backup 1/2.

But I hope we sign another big and/or point guard, maybe even a backup SF if Daniels is going to play backup 1/2, and to do that, we would clearly have to free up roster space. The only way I can think of right now, is acquiring Daniels in a sign-and-trade deal for (HOPEFULLY!) Tony Allen + Giddens/Pruitt/Walker, in order to have Daniels be signed for an amount he actually likes ($2.5M - $3.0M).

I don't think Daniels would really sign for two years at the LLE when his value is probably twice that much, and I also don't think Danny wants to have the backup SF debate again next year. So the only way is a sign-and-trade where Daniels signs for something like 3yr/$10M.

Remember that Daniels is coming here for at least the biannual exception, which actually leaves us the LLE to still use on another player (tyronn lue's name keeps popping up, which makes me sort of expect he'll be here). I'd miss Scal, but if we can work out that sign and trade, we'll get to keep the biannual exception and the LLE.

Not that i want tyronn lue, but we have to be somewhat realistic haha.

[celticinorlando]

i think tony and billy walker are gone. we keep scal and his contract until the trade deadline for a one more needed piece....i also think gabe will be our PG on the cheap. i think daniels is going to play the 2-3 more than anything. but i think we need one more big off the bench.

PG rondo, gabe, hudson
G Ray, eddie,
SF PP, daniels, giddens
PF KG, baby, scal
C perk, sheed, cheap big

[Fafnir]

If Baby comes back, we have a set 9-man rotation already, with a bench of Sheed/Baby/Daniels/House. Daniels will play the backup 2/3, and House the backup 1/2.

But I hope we sign another big and/or point guard, maybe even a backup SF if Daniels is going to play backup 1/2, and to do that, we would clearly have to free up roster space. The only way I can think of right now, is acquiring Daniels in a sign-and-trade deal for (HOPEFULLY!) Tony Allen + Giddens/Pruitt/Walker, in order to have Daniels be signed for an amount he actually likes ($2.5M - $3.0M).

I don't think Daniels would really sign for two years at the LLE when his value is probably twice that much, and I also don't think Danny wants to have the backup SF debate again next year. So the only way is a sign-and-trade where Daniels signs for something like 3yr/$10M.

Remember that Daniels is coming here for at least the biannual exception, which actually leaves us the LLE to still use on another player (tyronn lue's name keeps popping up, which makes me sort of expect he'll be here). I'd miss Scal, but if we can work out that sign and trade, we'll get to keep the biannual exception and the LLE.

Not that i want tyronn lue, but we have to be somewhat realistic haha.

LLE is the bi-annual exception, I mentioned this to you in another thread. edit:saw you reply to Roy saying the same thing to you

[screwedupmaniac]

If Baby comes back, we have a set 9-man rotation already, with a bench of Sheed/Baby/Daniels/House. Daniels will play the backup 2/3, and House the backup 1/2.

But I hope we sign another big and/or point guard, maybe even a backup SF if Daniels is going to play backup 1/2, and to do that, we would clearly have to free up roster space. The only way I can think of right now, is acquiring Daniels in a sign-and-trade deal for (HOPEFULLY!) Tony Allen + Giddens/Pruitt/Walker, in order to have Daniels be signed for an amount he actually likes ($2.5M - $3.0M).

I don't think Daniels would really sign for two years at the LLE when his value is probably twice that much, and I also don't think Danny wants to have the backup SF debate again next year. So the only way is a sign-and-trade where Daniels signs for something like 3yr/$10M.

Remember that Daniels is coming here for at least the biannual exception, which actually leaves us the LLE to still use on another player (tyronn lue's name keeps popping up, which makes me sort of expect he'll be here). I'd miss Scal, but if we can work out that sign and trade, we'll get to keep the biannual exception and the LLE.

Not that i want tyronn lue, but we have to be somewhat realistic haha.

LLE is the bi-annual exception, I mentioned this to you in another thread. edit:saw you reply to Roy saying the same thing to you

yeah haha, that's what i love about celticsblog...you learn something new everyday 

[P2]

i think tony and billy walker are gone. we keep scal and his contract until the trade deadline for a one more needed piece....i also think gabe will be our PG on the cheap. i think daniels is going to play the 2-3 more than anything. but i think we need one more big off the bench.

PG rondo, gabe, hudson
G Ray, eddie,
SF PP, daniels, giddens
PF KG, baby, scal
C perk, sheed, cheap big

I pray that I will never have to see Tony Allen in a Celtics uniform again!

We have an 8-man rotation now:

C  Perk/Sheed
PF KG/Sheed
SF PP/Quisy
SG Ray/Quisy
PG Rondo/House

So right now there is one big need: Another big. Then there are two optional needs: Backup PG and another C. If Baby stays, we could call it an offseason already. But I would like to add another cheap big (like Swift, Fazekas, etc.) more than a PG. House will be fine at PG.

[ssspence]

I don't think we have the pieces to get Felton, Hinrich, or Barea.  It's doubtful that Washington gives us Crittendon after trading a #1 for him.  James is a possibility, but would we want him?

I think free agency is more likely.  I like Watson a lot, although he may try for more than the minimum.  Lue is a fairly realistic option, I think.

watson is gone:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090717/SPORTS04/90717080/1004/SPORTS/Point+guard+agrees+to+1-year+deal+with+Pacers

[nickagneta]

I'm just not that thrilled with Eddie or Daniels playing the point come playoff time and hate the waiting until the last minute to fill the position and hope the player can become acquainted with the team and system in time. Let's face it Marbury was awful and Cassell my have helped eek out a game or three but he wasn't a whole lot better.

I say use Daniels as you backup wing and package Eddie as a three point shooter as well as Tony or Walker or Giddens for a real, honest to goodness PG that can be here, learn the system, be in its flow, and become come accustomed to his rotational spot and minutes from Day 1.

And while I agree with that if we pick up a back up PG it would be more likely to be through free agency, I feel Danny is going to do it through a trade. Heck, maybe he does it with the Daniels S&T and gets a package from Indiana. Maybe Danny can convince the Pacers to match the offer sheet on Jarrett Jack from the Raptors and try to put Jack into the package along with Daniels

Maybe something like:

Daniels S&T(3 years/$9 million) and Jack(4 years/$20 million) for Tony, Scal, and Eddie. Yes, that will be expensive in later years. But, if we resign Baby and we can re-sign Ray for considerably less in the off season to use as money to extend Rondo and Perk and then re-sign Pierce for considerably less the year after to remain financially stable, then over the next three years we have a steady budget and the following rotation

Rondo/Jack
Ray/Daniels/Giddens
Pierce/Daniels/Walker
KG/Baby
Perk/Wallace

Personally, I think that team right there is a winner of back to back titles at least

[wdleehi]

I'm just not that thrilled with Eddie or Daniels playing the point come playoff time and hate the waiting until the last minute to fill the position and hope the player can become acquainted with the team and system in time. Let's face it Marbury was awful and Cassell my have helped eek out a game or three but he wasn't a whole lot better.

I say use Daniels as you backup wing and package Eddie as a three point shooter as well as Tony or Walker or Giddens for a real, honest to goodness PG that can be here, learn the system, be in its flow, and become come accustomed to his rotational spot and minutes from Day 1.

And while I agree with that if we pick up a back up PG it would be more likely to be through free agency, I feel Danny is going to do it through a trade. Heck, maybe he does it with the Daniels S&T and gets a package from Indiana. Maybe Danny can convince the Pacers to match the offer sheet on Jarrett Jack from the Raptors and try to put Jack into the package along with Daniels

Maybe something like:

Daniels S&T(3 years/$9 million) and Jack(4 years/$20 million) for Tony, Scal, and Eddie. Yes, that will be expensive in later years. But, if we resign Baby and we can re-sign Ray for considerably less in the off season to use as money to extend Rondo and Perk and then re-sign Pierce for considerably less the year after to remain financially stable, then over the next three years we have a steady budget and the following rotation

Rondo/Jack
Ray/Daniels/Giddens
Pierce/Daniels/Walker
KG/Baby
Perk/Wallace

Personally, I think that team right there is a winner of back to back titles at least

I would be all on board with that type of trade, but why would the Pacers want to do that?  Which one of those Celtics players is really worth it to them to take on salary when they can just let both players just go for nothing?





I think PG this season will have to come from the trade market.  Like when some team figures out they are not as strong as they thought and decide they need to get a little more cap wiggle room for next year.

[KungPoweChicken]

I don't see a trade happening this summer, and I'm fine with that; we have a solid enough bench. If Scal is here to stay, I could possibly see us sending him and Tony for someone at the deadline. But for now, I think we may see Danny take a little vacation. 

[footey]

I no longer see the need for a back up PG. Among Daniels, Pruitt, House and TA, we can kill the 10-15 minutes a game that Rondo needs to rest. Of course, if Rondo gets hurt, then we have real issues.

[wdleehi]

I no longer see the need for a back up PG. Among Daniels, Pruitt, House and TA, we can kill the 10-15 minutes a game that Rondo needs to rest. Of course, if Rondo gets hurt, then we have real issues.

I think it is still a position of need, even if not a position that will need a lot of minutes while Rondo is healthy.