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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2009, 02:30:21 PM »

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i think miami lets him walk and boston gets him for what the offered hill..plus they still have those 2 expiring contracts in their pocket...very good thing...i think cleveland is making a run at barnes and they just signed parker..plus they are talking resigning wally
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM »

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Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2009, 02:33:07 PM »

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Now that Hill's out of the picture I hope we're angling hard for Moon - he'd be a competent backup for Pierce and a player that could flourish with a few HOFers giving him pointers behind the scenes. 
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2009, 02:42:28 PM »

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Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

Do you think they'd do something along this lines:

Moon (S&T not sure if you can do this)
James Jones

For:

Tony
Scal
Walker

They get expiring contracts, which they can buy-out or use to facillitate trades. They get Walker who is cheap, promising, and a former teammate of Beasly. They clear some good cap room for Miami in the following, since James Jones has a wierd contract structure that even though it's a team option, it's partitially guaranteed.

Who knows? Throw some cash at them too.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2009, 02:44:09 PM »

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Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

The problem is that Moon will be a BYC player.  So it makes it a little more complicated.  If there is not a 3rd team involved, the trade would have to be bigger than just a 1 for 1 trade to make the salaries work.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2009, 02:45:33 PM »

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Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on July 15, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

Do you think they'd do something along this lines:

Moon (S&T not sure if you can do this)
James Jones

For:

Tony
Scal
Walker

They get expiring contracts, which they can buy-out or use to facillitate trades. They get Walker who is cheap, promising, and a former teammate of Beasly. They clear some good cap room for Miami in the following, since James Jones has a wierd contract structure that even though it's a team option, it's partitially guaranteed.

Who knows? Throw some cash at them too.

If Moon walks, James Jones value to Miami increases. Someone has to play SF!  :)
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2009, 02:46:53 PM »

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Quote from: Chris on July 15, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

The problem is that Moon will be a BYC player.  So it makes it a little more complicated.  If there is not a 3rd team involved, the trade would have to be bigger than just a 1 for 1 trade to make the salaries work.

Woops! Right. I should have thought of that. Maybe the Moon deal can be baked into the Boozer deal... time to play with the trade machine
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2009, 02:48:02 PM »

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Quote from: Chris on July 15, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

The problem is that Moon will be a BYC player.  So it makes it a little more complicated.  If there is not a 3rd team involved, the trade would have to be bigger than just a 1 for 1 trade to make the salaries work.

Another problem is that (according to both Stein and Hollinger) Utah wants to save money THIS year. Not the next. If they wanted to save money next year then they woudln't need to trade Boozer at all since he is one of the best expirings out there. Except for taking on additional salary, TA doesn't help that.

The best way to get Jamario IMO is to steal him straight up with an LLE offer and hope the Heat don't match. If they do? Hell, we didn't lost anything by doing it.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2009, 02:48:33 PM »

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Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: BudweiserCeltic on July 15, 2009, 02:42:28 PM
Quote from: Mr October on July 15, 2009, 02:30:34 PM
Maybe the C's can offer Tony Allen plus $2-3mil cash. Miami could then use that extra cash to help grease the wheels on a Boozer trade. Utah want to save money when they ship Boozer out.

Do you think they'd do something along this lines:

Moon (S&T not sure if you can do this)
James Jones

For:

Tony
Scal
Walker

They get expiring contracts, which they can buy-out or use to facillitate trades. They get Walker who is cheap, promising, and a former teammate of Beasly. They clear some good cap room for Miami in the following, since James Jones has a wierd contract structure that even though it's a team option, it's partitially guaranteed.

Who knows? Throw some cash at them too.

If Moon walks, James Jones value to Miami increases. Someone has to play SF!  :)

Tony, Scal, and Walker are all capable of playing SF. Plus they have Diawara and Wright still in the roster.

In fact, I would forget about Moon and just try to land Jones.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2009, 03:00:12 PM »

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If Moon really wants to go somewhere, I'm sure he can talk to Miami about what they would want. Teams can talk to one another if they really want to work things out in cases where the original team isn't that committed to keeping their player.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2009, 03:01:45 PM »

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Quote from: celticinorlando on July 15, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
i think miami lets him walk and boston gets him for what the offered hill..plus they still have those 2 expiring contracts in their pocket...very good thing...i think cleveland is making a run at barnes and they just signed parker..plus they are talking resigning wally

i'm imaging a conversation like this:

Moon's agent calls Riley and asks him if they'd match on the LLE. Riley says, not sure, why? The agent says Moon feels his value is higher than that but that he'd really like the chance to play for Celtics -- perfect for his skills and spot on the roster there -- but that he would prefer not to play in Miami or elsewhere for that number, and it's preventing him from signing the Boston offer sheet.

i'm trying to figure out who Moon's agent is. last i can tell it looks like Joel Bell, who also has James Jones, Steve Blake and John Salmons. but it's possible if it's an important one that Riley could use to keep good will there should he not intend to keep Moon.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2009, 03:04:20 PM »

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There is a pretty simple solution. 

Miami has a trade exception for Shaun Livingston.  We could simply give them Bill Walker for "cash considerations", which is basically not matching the LLE.   

Walker is a talented enough kid to justify the deal and cheap enough where he isn't going to impact things for them next year.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2009, 03:27:48 PM »

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I think the Celtics should just make him an offer and while it is on the table see if Miami goes to them for a trade. I'm tired of all this waiting it would be nice to be an aggressor for once.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2009, 03:28:03 PM »

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I'll wait for a better source.
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Re: Jamario Moon
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2009, 03:31:55 PM »

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Quote from: vagrantwade on July 15, 2009, 03:28:03 PM
I'll wait for a better source.

and we'll be holding our breath for your input.
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