Strasburg and Nats going nowhere

[Rondo2287]

Since it appears that the Nats and Strasburg wont be able to come to an agreement does anybody know if it is possible for the Red Sox to trade for the rights to Strasburg.  Or for that matter possibly the blue jays trading for strasburg involving Halladay?

[yall hate]

First, dont expect anything to be done with them for a while.  This will come down to the deadline.

Second, no, his rights cant be traded.  If they dont sign by the deadline, he will be ineligible to sign with a ML team for the year, and will go back into the draft the following year (and the Nats will get a compensatory pick to make up for not signing him).

But it will get done...just not for a while

[Hoyo de Monterrey]

Enjoy either the compensatory pick or getting screwed by Boras, Washington. This is not a surprise.

[Roy Hobbs]

They have until mid-August (the 17th, I believe), so there's no need for him to panic yet.  My guess is that they reach a compromise at the last minute, like the Red Sox did with Matsuzaka.

[yall hate]

They have until mid-August (the 17th, I believe), so there's no need for him to panic yet.  My guess is that they reach a compromise at the last minute, like the Red Sox did with Matsuzaka.

I agree.  Boras can talk all he wants about sending Strasburg to Japan, or an indy league, or whatever but it isnt happening.  if he were to get injured, or hit around a bit, the results would be disastrous. 

I am sure he will sign for a 'record' amount for a drafted player, by a large amount, but 50 mill is just silly. 

Also, Boras threatening using comps of international free agents is useless, since Strasburg is not an international player, or a free agent. 

This will get done.

[wdleehi]

This is what Boras likes to do.  Wait till the last minute, then leave the team little time to try an counter offer.


Basically, it becomes overpay or be embarrassed by not signing the player.

[CoachBo]

It's a shame.

Strasburg is the best college pitcher I've seen since Greg Swindell - no guarantee he'll be a major league stud, but he's worth a bunch of money.

[yall hate]

It's a shame.

Strasburg is the best college pitcher I've seen since Greg Swindell - no guarantee he'll be a major league stud, but he's worth a bunch of money.

I'll be willing to make a long term bet (50tps?) with anyone in this thread, that Strasburg has TJ surgery or at the very least a tear (serious - end season worthy, not just a slight one) in his rotator cuff at some point within the first 2 years of playing for the nats (3 if they get him up this year)

He has that wonderful inverted W pitching style that is great...until your arm blows up, a la mark prior

[CoachBo]

It's a shame.

Strasburg is the best college pitcher I've seen since Greg Swindell - no guarantee he'll be a major league stud, but he's worth a bunch of money.

I'll be willing to make a long term bet (50tps?) with anyone in this thread, that Strasburg has TJ surgery or at the very least a tear (serious - end season worthy, not just a slight one) in his rotator cuff at some point within the first 2 years of playing for the nats (3 if they get him up this year)

He has that wonderful inverted W pitching style that is great...until your arm blows up, a la mark prior

If the Cubs and the pitching killer Dusta Baker drafted him, I'd leave that one alone.

You're right, though. He does remind me a little bit of Mark Prior and Anthony Reyes. You wonder if those mechanics aren't taught somewhere in California, since that's the common denominator.

[yall hate]

It's a shame.

Strasburg is the best college pitcher I've seen since Greg Swindell - no guarantee he'll be a major league stud, but he's worth a bunch of money.

I'll be willing to make a long term bet (50tps?) with anyone in this thread, that Strasburg has TJ surgery or at the very least a tear (serious - end season worthy, not just a slight one) in his rotator cuff at some point within the first 2 years of playing for the nats (3 if they get him up this year)

He has that wonderful inverted W pitching style that is great...until your arm blows up, a la mark prior

If the Cubs and the pitching killer Dusta Baker drafted him, I'd leave that one alone.

You're right, though. He does remind me a little bit of Mark Prior and Anthony Reyes. You wonder if those mechanics aren't taught somewhere in California, since that's the common denominator.

That certainly didnt help...dusty is death on pitchers. 

But those mechanics are crazy, they definitely can lead to success, but the stats show almost all of the guys that use it end up needing TJ. 

this guy has a great description/analysis of it.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/RethinkingPitching/Essays/DeathToTheInvertedW.html


edit: (a discussion of Strasburgs flawed mechanics)
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ProfessionalPitcherAnalyses/StephenStrasburg.html

[CoachBo]

That's an excellent piece, although the elbow angles appear moderated in some of the frames.

I've also read somewhere - although I don't remember where - that the downward arm angle at delivery is an extra stressor in the inverted W: Meaning those who throw over the top have a slightly less chance of injury than a 20 to 45 degree three-quarters delivery.

Reyes came across his body badly after delivery, for example.

[Fafnir]

This is what Boras likes to do.  Wait till the last minute, then leave the team little time to try an counter offer.


Basically, it becomes overpay or be embarrassed by not signing the player.

Just a lovely way of negotiating.

[yall hate]

That's an excellent piece, although the elbow angles appear moderated in some of the frames.

I've also read somewhere - although I don't remember where - that the downward arm angle at delivery is an extra stressor in the inverted W: Meaning those who throw over the top have a slightly less chance of injury than a 20 to 45 degree three-quarters delivery.

Reyes came across his body badly after delivery, for example.

Yea I think you are right about the angle of the arm (I dont claim to know anything about any of it) but that piece was kind of saying it isnt so much the w, but the placement of the pitching arm, and you can see in some of the 'bad' deliveries where it is 3/4 and lagging behind, the shear phsyics of whipping your arm around would of course put tremendous stress on the arm.  ( I think if you go over the top, at least your body and momentum are in the same direction as your arm, rather then the 3/4 motion) (I think I butchered my attempt there...but it all comes down to the elbow placement in relation to the shoulder.  elbow above = bad)