Please stop the Matt Barnes as the solution talk! He is Overrated!

[KG_ended_Bias]

Having watched Matt Barnes while living in Phoenix & being forced to watch 82 SUNS games a season. I noticed a striking similarity to another former Celtic, he is Gerald Green without the athletic gifts & is 6 years older, NOT GOOD! Matt Barnes is a gunner who make BONEHEADED decisions in crunch time, he is coming off of a career year 10ppg at age 29, a similar year to that of a Gerald Green 10 ppg that he had in his 2nd year out of Highschool at age 20. Again, NOT GOOD! So what is all the hype & fuss about that we need to get him? He plays absolutely no defense & coming from a Suns system I doubt he can be taught any. He single handily loss 2 games this year for the SUNS trying to do more than his talent suggest he should. He posted around 6 or 7 20pt. games which was decent for a backup on a scrub team. But again, for all those who crucify Gerald Green's career, Gerald posted more 20pt. games in less minutes with a couple of high 30 pt. scoring games sprinkled in.And if you dont believe that fact & stat simply look it up yourselves. Makes me think some Celtic bloggers do not evaluate talent outside of BOSTON if you guys are in love with Barnes. Keep Barnes away from my Celtics Danny if you read these threads. He is a 6 yr. older Gerald Green who doesn't jump higher, doesn't shoot better, an inch shorter & plays the same darn defense which is very little. Go get Stackhouse, Moon, Bowen or find a good trade for a Posey type of defense & scoring reserve. Just let Matt Barnes get overpaid in Phoenix. And I doubt he has tricked to many GM's into giving him a check except some of you Celtic bloggers as it looks like even Phoenix don't want him.

[vagrantwade]

You would have more validity in your post if you hadn't made it seem like you think Green is a good basketball player, which he is not.

[Prof. Clutch]

So let me get this straight - Gerald Green bound for glory, Matt Barnes crap?

That´s what your going with...seriously?  Okay, I´m not from Phoenix, I haven´t seen Barnes play 82 games.  I have, however, followed his career for the last few seasons and here is what I remember clearly about him.

Solid 3 point shooter, doesn´t carry an ego with the necessity of being a starter, has a mid-range game, DOES play defense and approaches it with tenacity and drive.  Versatility, as in the ability in a small ball system to step into the 3 or 4 on offense or defense.  Those were just my observations.

Phoenix was not a good fit for him for whatever reason, but unlike Gerald Green, he HAS proven in years past to be a very solid and important contributor to a playoff team.  In Golden State he was one of the essential characters to the spirit that helped them overcome the heavily favorited Dallas Mavericks.  He impressed me then, and if utilized correctly he could be a great asset to a playoff team.  He´s still 28 years old and should be in the prime of his career.

Here is what NBA.com says about him from that season in Golden State when he thrived:

Appeared in 76 games (23 starts), averaging 9.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists in 23.9 minutes, all of which were career highs...In 23 starts, averaged 15.1 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.43 steals in 34.7 minutes...In 14 games against former teams (L.A Clippers, Memphis, New York, Philadelphia and Sacramento), averaged 13.5 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.14 steals in 25.5 minutes...Scored 20-or-more points eight times with two 30-plus point efforts...Recorded eight double-doubles...Finished second on team with 106 three-point field goals (106-290, 36.6% 3FG)

He also averaged 10 and 5 last season for Phoenix last season.  I don´t know, I don´t pretend Barnes is our savior.  I just think he can come in, spell Pierce for a while, play team ball, D up the small forward on the other team, give some fouls, and hit some open 3´s.  And compared to the other free agents out there that are left, I don´t see many better options.  Certainly not Gerald Green for that matter.

[jayk009]

In my opinion Matt Barnes is overrated by Celtics fans, but he still one of the better Fa options out there. He definitly is not as bad on D as you are describing, and the fact that you are using points scored as an aargument why hes a worst player then Gerald Green tells me you are not really good at making player comparisons or are even good at evaluating players at all. Gerald Green  and Matt Barnes are different players, at least Barnes hustles a bit and knows his role.

Anyways, none of this matters since Matt Barnes wont be a Celtic, unless Danny Ainge all of a sudden changes his mind and decides he likes him, He will go to the cavaliers for the rest of their MLE with w/e they have left over after they signed Anthony Parker.

[KG_ended_Bias]

So let me get this straight - Gerald Green bound for glory, Matt Barnes crap?

That´s what your going with...seriously?  Okay, I´m not from Phoenix, I haven´t seen Barnes play 82 games.  I have, however, followed his career for the last few seasons and here is what I remember clearly about him.

Solid 3 point shooter, doesn´t carry an ego with the necessity of being a starter, has a mid-range game, DOES play defense and approaches it with tenacity and drive.  Versatility, as in the ability in a small ball system to step into the 3 or 4 on offense or defense.  Those were just my observations.

Phoenix was not a good fit for him for whatever reason, but unlike Gerald Green, he HAS proven in years past to be a very solid and important contributor to a playoff team.  In Golden State he was one of the essential characters to the spirit that helped them overcome the heavily favorited Dallas Mavericks.  He impressed me then, and if utilized correctly he could be a great asset to a playoff team.  He´s still 28 years old and should be in the prime of his career.

Here is what NBA.com says about him from that season in Golden State when he thrived:

Appeared in 76 games (23 starts), averaging 9.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists in 23.9 minutes, all of which were career highs...In 23 starts, averaged 15.1 points, 6.7 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.43 steals in 34.7 minutes...In 14 games against former teams (L.A Clippers, Memphis, New York, Philadelphia and Sacramento), averaged 13.5 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 1.14 steals in 25.5 minutes...Scored 20-or-more points eight times with two 30-plus point efforts...Recorded eight double-doubles...Finished second on team with 106 three-point field goals (106-290, 36.6% 3FG)

He also averaged 10 and 5 last season for Phoenix last season.  I don´t know, I don´t pretend Barnes is our savior.  I just think he can come in, spell Pierce for a while, play team ball, D up the small forward on the other team, give some fouls, and hit some open 3´s.  And compared to the other free agents out there that are left, I don´t see many better options.  Certainly not Gerald Green for that matter.

If you guys are going to come at me about the opinions I have about a weak in my eyes player like Barnes. At least get what I said right! I said he reminds me of a older version of Gerald Green, I can say that having to watch the Suns 82 games a year. I said I would rather have have Stackhouse, Bowen or Moon. If I hade to choose between Barnes & Gerald, it would be Gerald hands down because I believe they are the same player at this junctures of their careers & Gerald offers me more offensively & athletically while sparing me 6yrs. of youth. If their is one team besides Boston who I can evaluate fully I believe it is the SUNS, being I have to watch them 82 games a year while working for them. Im at every one of their home games and sit right behind the bench.

[Prof. Clutch]

If you guys are going to come at me about the opinions I have about a weak in my eyes player like Barnes. At least get what I said right! I said he reminds me of a older version of Gerald Green, I can say that having to watch the Suns 82 games a year. I said I would rather have have Stackhouse, Bowen or Moon. If I hade to choose between Barnes & Gerald, it would be Gerald hands down because I believe they are the same player at this junctures of their careers & Gerald offers me more offensively & athletically while sparing me 6yrs. of youth. If their is one team besides Boston who I can evaluate fully I believe it is the SUNS, being I have to watch them 82 games a year while working for them. Im at every one of their home games and sit right behind the bench.

As already said in my post, I don´t watch 82 games of the Suns and haven´t had the same exposure to Barnes that you have had.  And as you descibe it, he didn´t have a good year with the suns last year (though the team as a whole struggled with chemistry issues and more from what I´ve read.)  By any chance did you know much about Barnes or watch him in years previous to his one year stint with Phoenix?  Because its kind of the opposite for me.  I followed him loosely before last year but didn´t get to see much of him this previous season.  For that matter, what has your exposure been to Gerald Green?  Were you a big fan of his in his Boston days?  After?  I have had the same kind of exposure to Green as you have had to Barnes if not more.

I attempted to make my case for him in my previous post, and in no way was attempting to ``come at you´´ my man.  I just prefer to use logic, stats, and observations to make my points about things, and I guess this is why I can´t let myself get into this lovefest that so many have with Gerald Green.  Expectation and hope can´t alone make a player worth it, but if someone shows a past of actual production, I can get behind it.  All in all, that is why I support Barnes, because as I layed out in my previous post, he HAS contributed in the past in exactly the way we would need someone to on the celtics this year.

And its always a red flag to me when people are in love and desire players like Gerald Green.  But that´s what this blog is all about, throwing opinions out there and making your case.  So I respect that, just don´t understand it.  TP.

[GKC]

I've watched Matt Barnes a lot this year and when he was in GS. Sure, he makes boneheaded mistakes with the ball, but I don't think he'll have it that much. In fact, Barnes actually plays very well without the ball, and gets where he needs to be on the floor, which is more than can be said about Gerald Green.

Maybe coming out of the Suns and Warriors systems, he hasn't played defense, but he seems to have the gifts and the ability to (he was good in the Dallas and Utah series in 07).

I know you must not like Barnes. But trust most Celtics fans when they say Gerald Green is just that much worse.

[KG_ended_Bias]

I can respect that Prof. Clutch! No hard feelings & as a fan of the man & not player. Barnes is a wonderful person from what I have seen of him having provided my security detail for him & other SUNS over the past year. Barnes, Shaq, Nash & Marion when he was in Phoenix were absolutely the coolest cats you would ever wanna meet. Total contrast to what I saw in 1 night in Phoenix from Gabe Pruitt having been his security detail guy.

[xmuscularghandix]

He's overrated, i agree.

[Bankshot]

Barnes may be overrated, but he is what we need. 
We don't need a star, just someone who could back up Pierce, play some D, spread the floor and knock down some shots.  Barnes could do that.

[Evantime34]

Barnes may be overrated, but he is what we need. 
We don't need a star, just someone who could back up Pierce, play some D, spread the floor and knock down some shots.  Barnes could do that.

Agreed, there have been a lot of posts about how this guy wouldn't be good or another guy wouldn't fit but those posters rarely mention an alternative. So I ask the creator of this thread to let me know who you would advocate for as a back up wing?

[yall hate]

I think Barnes is a solid, but streaky player.  The kind of guy where one week we would have threads here asking if he should start and others a week later saying he should be cut.

That being said, he is not stupid like Gerald, which is an instant plus.

I think we can do better for a backup, but I wouldnt be all that upset with Barnes either

[Rtpas11]

Think Goodness finally a true NBA FAN!!! Matt Barnes is Highly Overrated. Remember yall he plays with Steve Nash, and before that he played with Baron Davis. Those are bother offensive threats as point guards who could create their own shot or create for others. When you think Matt Barnes think Eddie House... How will that work?

[crownsy]

He's overrated, i agree.

right but were talking about a 10-12 minute a night bench guy, not someone we need to start. For that, matt barnes would be fine.

It's a moot point anyway, he was very clear last year that he likes warm weather, and any cold weather city is going to be paying  a significant amount to get him to go there over warm weather teams, thus he won't be coming here.

[bobdelt]

Well that's just like, your opinion.... man.