Is the '10 Cs, the reincarnation of the '86 squad?

[Donoghus]

I sure hope so.  That means a title.

[footey]

Our bench is not as deep. Wedman and Sichting are missing. That was an awesome, deep team.

[nickagneta]

Eddie House = Jerry Sichting but I agree we need a good SF with an outside shot to be our Scott Wedman.

[oldmanspeaks]

A word about the Ainge-Ray Allen comparison. I believe the 3 pt line was further out in the old days. RA has a better all around game but Ainge was one of the top spot shooters in the history of the game. Ainge couldn't create his own shot and despite excellent speed wouldn't drive the lane. I suspect his reluctance to drive the middle had to do with the fact there were about 50 guys in the league who wanted to send him to intensive care. The reason is that Ainge was the one who set all those borderline picks when Bird roamed the baseline. Ainge has a distinction with me. It was the only time in all of my watching basketball that I saw a guy actually quit dribbling the ball just to punch Ainge out. Ray Allen has always been a gentleman on the court. Ainge (despite his choirboy looks) caused more technical fouls by guys who wanted a piece of him than anyone I ever saw.

[celtsrp33]

Ray has a better overall game then Ainge did but let's not forget who the superior athlete was. Ainge was not only a much better athlete then Ray he was a very savy player, not that Ray isnt. I still give the edge to this years guards but not by much. DJ was about as savy a player as you might find ever, could play lockdown D, and was "money" in crunch time. Rondo, as good as he was in the playoffs really choked in "money" time in this years playoffs. And please, lets not compare Wallace to Bill Walton. Bill would eat him alive!

You really think DA was a better athlete than Ray?  Really?  Have you seen Ray play basketball?  Danny was a great athlete - baseball/basketball all that but cmon...he had nowhere near the athletic ability of Ray.  Especially in his younger years.   

[oldmanspeaks]

I never implied that DA was a better athlete. That is why I said he couldn't create his own shot. Ainge was probably a bit faster in a straight line (Ainge was very fast straight down the court which surprised a lot of people) but he couldn't jump and wasn't nearly as fluid as Ray. Ray could do a lot more things when he was young than Ainge could. However from the deepest 3 pt line, Ainge was one of the few guys that could challenge Bird to a shooting contest. He was a superb shooter (when uncontested). I just wanted to give people an image of Ainge's overall game which involved a lot of physical play as well as his deep shooting.

[nickagneta]

Ray has a better overall game then Ainge did but let's not forget who the superior athlete was. Ainge was not only a much better athlete then Ray he was a very savy player, not that Ray isnt. I still give the edge to this years guards but not by much. DJ was about as savy a player as you might find ever, could play lockdown D, and was "money" in crunch time. Rondo, as good as he was in the playoffs really choked in "money" time in this years playoffs. And please, lets not compare Wallace to Bill Walton. Bill would eat him alive!

You really think DA was a better athlete than Ray?  Really?  Have you seen Ray play basketball?  Danny was a great athlete - baseball/basketball all that but cmon...he had nowhere near the athletic ability of Ray.  Especially in his younger years.   

Danny could have been a better athlete without necessarily being able to jump higher. Ainge was fast. Did you ever see the video of him winning a tourney game for BYU in the last second, I think over Notre Dame by dribbling the length of the court around guys and hitting the winner by lay it in with no time left. I think he did it in less than 3 seconds.

Ainge was incredibly strong as well and had great hand eye coordination. For me, athletically speaking, I think it may have been a draw, but Allen was by far the better all around player. Though there was a stretch of about 4-5 years where Ainge was constantly shooting +47% FG, +40% 3PT, +88% FT. He was a great shooter in his time and for a couple years was the 2nd best 3 PT shooter after Bird.

[RAcker]

I loved Danny back in the 80's.  He was my favorite player as many of you know just because of how deadly his shot was (which made the Big 3 that much harder to help on) and he just irritated the mess out of people.

[Kwhit10]

A word about the Ainge-Ray Allen comparison. I believe the 3 pt line was further out in the old days. RA has a better all around game but Ainge was one of the top spot shooters in the history of the game. Ainge couldn't create his own shot and despite excellent speed wouldn't drive the lane. I suspect his reluctance to drive the middle had to do with the fact there were about 50 guys in the league who wanted to send him to intensive care. The reason is that Ainge was the one who set all those borderline picks when Bird roamed the baseline. Ainge has a distinction with me. It was the only time in all of my watching basketball that I saw a guy actually quit dribbling the ball just to punch Ainge out. Ray Allen has always been a gentleman on the court. Ainge (despite his choirboy looks) caused more technical fouls by guys who wanted a piece of him than anyone I ever saw.

I don't think the line was any further out in the 80's than it is today.  I know the NBA shortened the distance in the mid 90's only to put it back to it's original distance 3 or 4 years later.

[2short]

A couple quick thoughts, when  you do use savy DJ comes right out.  I'd say at this point he would be a better guard than rondo.  However Rondo has what maybe McHale and definately Bird had; the ability to completely take over a game and dominate every aspect.
Ainge was a great athlete and a pain in the ass on defense but Ray Allen is far far above him.  Remember Danny would be considered the weak link as far as starters go for that squad.
Chief dominates Perk. not in same ballpark
KG is this strange x factor, possibly one of the most dominate defenders the league has seen, call it even at pf since McHale was so great on low post but what a GREAT matchup this would have been.
Bird is it and PP has a pretty high ranking in my book.
Scotty Wedman is what we need on this team, makes Posey look not so hot.  We have no one on the bench that could bring that game.
Eddie=Jerry , eddie better instant offense but Jerry had a better all around game.
Bill Walton, without injuries I'd argue til I'm blue that this was the best all around center to ever play basketball!!  By the time he hit the C's he was guile & skill, sheed who I don't even like would get the nod.
coaches=tie, both lame ducks, no nod to doc, tibs is great and docs rotations are better , scary huh, kc shortened everyones careers
I'd say barring injuries '10 is a better squad.  We are missing the backup sf

[WBrownTrophy]

another similarity is that coming into 86, the Lakers were coming off the championship a year after they lost to the Celtics in the championship, just like this year

[nickagneta]

The one glaring difference in the clubs is the difference of experience and quality at the starting center position. I love Perk and if he could ever put up for this club the numbers he did in the playoffs during the season(11 points, 10 boards, 2.5 blocks), I think he could narrow the gap. But Parish was just world's better than Perk.

[Prof. Clutch]

That 86 team was one of the most incredible squads ever assembled.  I think we are gonna be great this year, but I can´t imagine that we´ll be that great.

[nickagneta]

That 86 team was one of the most incredible squads ever assembled.  I think we are gonna be great this year, but I can´t imagine that we´ll be that great.

We will probably be a much better defensive team than that 86 team though.

[BballTim]

That 86 team was one of the most incredible squads ever assembled.  I think we are gonna be great this year, but I can´t imagine that we´ll be that great.

We will probably be a much better defensive team than that 86 team though.

  Better, but I don't know about "much" better. The 86 team was the best defensive team in the league. All 5 starters were good/very good defenders.