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Re: Woj's Winners and Losers
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2009, 10:39:43 PM »

Offline Fafnir

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Surprised he had Dumars on his list of winners for free agency.

Me too.  Neither Gordon nor Villanueva plays a lick of defense.
Scoring is always overrated, still I don't think either contract will end up being a albatross type deal. Time will tell, Dumars needs to land an elite player asap though.
I just don't understand the Gordon signing after just extending Hamilton. How that's a winning move, I'll never know. Rip might not be as prolific at scoring on some nights as Gordon but he will hold his man to consistently 5-7 PPG less than Gordon will.
I'm not a big Rip Hamilton fan. He's better defensively than Gordon, but otherwise is an inferior player. Neither gets boards/assists/steals, both are just shooters. Rip is just less efficient at scoring.

The extension they just gave Rip is a killer. They have to be looking to move him if at all possible for a big. They need a legit center in the worst way.

Re: Woj's Winners and Losers
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2009, 10:59:14 PM »

Offline nickagneta

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Surprised he had Dumars on his list of winners for free agency.

Me too.  Neither Gordon nor Villanueva plays a lick of defense.
Scoring is always overrated, still I don't think either contract will end up being a albatross type deal. Time will tell, Dumars needs to land an elite player asap though.
I just don't understand the Gordon signing after just extending Hamilton. How that's a winning move, I'll never know. Rip might not be as prolific at scoring on some nights as Gordon but he will hold his man to consistently 5-7 PPG less than Gordon will.
I'm not a big Rip Hamilton fan. He's better defensively than Gordon, but otherwise is an inferior player. Neither gets boards/assists/steals, both are just shooters. Rip is just less efficient at scoring.

The extension they just gave Rip is a killer. They have to be looking to move him if at all possible for a big. They need a legit center in the worst way.
I like Rip's consistency over Gordon's. Gordon can go off but he's all over the place sometimes. 35 points one game 8 the next 30 the next and then 10 the next. Yeah that's 20.75 PPG but Rip will give you the good defense and give you 15-20 just about every night. You won't see the good defense at all from Gordon.

I also don't see the more effective comment. Gordon's eFG% was better than Rip's last year but the year before Rip's was much better than Gordon and the year before they had almost identical numbers. TS% the numbers are [dang] close as well with Gordon being on average maybe a little more than 1% better overall.

Is his slightly better efficiency really more important than giving up less PPG against? I guess it's just a matter of taste.

Re: Woj's Winners and Losers
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2009, 11:32:20 PM »

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Dumar's spent way too much. I mean, is this really what the magic cap space is going to get you?

And considering the Bulls didn't offer BG anything, the Piston's really bid against themselves. 6'1 SG's who can't defend or do much else besides shoot don't usually get 11 mill a year.
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