don't sign a FA SF...

[xmuscularghandix]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

  The bigger difference is we didn't have KG.

If we had Sheed to play for him we still would've won the championship.

[Roy Hobbs]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

[wdleehi]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

  The bigger difference is we didn't have KG.

If we had Sheed to play for him we still would've won the championship.

Maybe they win, maybe they don't.

But either way, the Celtics will be in better shape with an actual backup SG/SF

[BballTim]

If we keep Baby, there's little to no room for Leon. We're better off with adding another center. Hudson can go, and we add another PG.

Then the decision would be what to do with Pruitt... leave him taking a roster spot, or leave the spot open to fill at the trade deadline once you see how this roster is playing out.

Until TA is moved, I don't think we can afford the roster spot for Leon. PF is simply not a position we need to add more people to, assuming we get Baby. And if we don't, well we'll see what is out there.

I'm not seeing centers out there that would make me feel any better than having the spot go to Leon.

  The spot that Leon would be taking is the same spot Mikki Moore took last year. Wouldn't you want to fill it with someone that would be expected to be healthy next year?

[xmuscularghandix]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

  The bigger difference is we didn't have KG.

If we had Sheed to play for him we still would've won the championship.

Maybe they win, maybe they don't.

But either way, the Celtics will be in better shape with an actual backup SG/SF

they atleast beat Orlando.

but either way, agreed.

[BballTim]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

  If KG's healthy you can get by with a TA or a Walker backing up Pierce like we did last year before he was injured.

[xmuscularghandix]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

  If KG's healthy you can get by with a TA or a Walker backing up Pierce like we did last year before he was injured.

Also if we have BBD back our Bigs look like:

KG
Sheed
Perk
BBD
Scal

as opposed to:

KG
Perk
BBD
Powe
Moore/POB



oddly enough i'd love to sign POB as our 5th big if we get BBD.

[mgent]

now that Hill is signed I am very underwhelmed by the remaining SFs that are available -  especially the one's in our price range.

So, I say if we can't swing a trade to get a quality guy, don't fill the spot.

I'd much rather bring back all the youngs and let them battle and see if someone can step up their game.

By signing Sheed, that gives us the luxury of doing that (as opposed to last season) because he instantly makes our bench much more than solid.

So assuming we can still re-sign Baby, that leaves us with:

Rondo
Ray
Paul
KG
Perk

House
TA
Walker
Baby
Sheed

Hudson
Pruitt
JR
Scals

and one final spot for Leon.....

I was never one for signing a SF, I think we should sign a PG.
I do however agree we should trade for a SF, and even if we can't get a good one anything would be better than what we have now.

[Roy Hobbs]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

  If KG's healthy you can get by with a TA or a Walker backing up Pierce like we did last year before he was injured.

Tell that to Doc, who has talked repeatedly about how the team needs a veteran backup for Pierce.

Also, I don't think it makes sense to presume 100% health for a team full of aging vets.  One of the veterans is likely to go down for at least some period of time next season, which is why we need legitimate players on our bench.

[snively]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

Sheed's more than a spot-up shooter.  He's an option on the low post and high post, and a great pick and pop guy.  It's not like he's going to run the offense, but his presence will reduce a lot of pressure on our limited bench players.  

While it's certainly still important to add a good wing, it's not as important as it was last year. If we don't get one this offseason it's not the end of the world.  We'll have expiring contracts to play with at the deadline (another asset we did not have last season) and we can give Walker/Giddens a test run to see what they can give us.  If they suck, we can pull a trade for a passable, overpaid veteran wing at midseason.

[Roy Hobbs]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

Sheed's more than a spot-up shooter.  He's an option on the low post and high post, and a great pick and pop guy.  It's not like he's going to run the offense, but his presence will reduce a lot of pressure on our limited bench players.  

While it's certainly still important to add a good wing, it's not as important as it was last year. If we don't get one this offseason it's not the end of the world.  We'll have expiring contracts to play with at the deadline (another asset we did not have last season) and we can give Walker/Giddens a test run to see what they can give us.  If they suck, we can pull a trade for a passable, overpaid veteran wing at midseason.

I'm not sure which Sheed you watched last season, but 89% of his shot attempts were jumpers, 78% of which were assisted.  He doesn't score on the block, and he doesn't create his own offense.

Sheed is a nice piece, but if people think he's going to be the savior for a bench rotation of Eddie, Bill Walker, and Tony, they've got another thing coming.

[winsomme]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

  If KG's healthy you can get by with a TA or a Walker backing up Pierce like we did last year before he was injured.

Tell that to Doc, who has talked repeatedly about how the team needs a veteran backup for Pierce.

Also, I don't think it makes sense to presume 100% health for a team full of aging vets.  One of the veterans is likely to go down for at least some period of time next season, which is why we need legitimate players on our bench.

but Doc also said last night that he told Danny his top two needs were length and shooting, both things filled by Sheed.

Plus, I do think Sheed can get his shot when needed. I think that absolutely is part of his game.

I'm not against getting a SF. I'm just against getting a SF for the sake of getting a SF.

[winsomme]

After watching what happened last season without a backup small forward, I've got no desire to repeat the experience.

the difference, though, is last year we didn't have Sheed. I think you can play Walker and JR more now that you have Sheed. There's less pressure on the position.

I don't buy that at all.  Rasheed doesn't create a lot of offense for himself; he's largely become a spot-up shooter.  I think we're asking too much if we expect a 12 ppg scorer to all of a sudden carry our offense to the point of making scoring from the small forward position irrelevant.

If we don't have a legitimate veteran backup small forward, Pierce will play too many minutes.  Period.

well, I would count Eddie as a scorer as well and I'm not sure how many minutes you are going to have none of GPA on the floor.

don't forget, this also includes re-signing Baby who can put up points too...

[Roy Hobbs]

but Doc also said last night that he told Danny his top two needs were length and shooting, both things filled by Sheed.

Here's another thing Doc said yesterday:

“I thought when we won it, we were the only team coming into last year that took away from our team and really didn’t add to our team,” Rivers said. “Orlando added to their team and Cleveland added to their team, but we kind of took away from our team (with the losses of James Posey and P.J. Brown). So I did think we needed to add some pieces. Hopefully we’re not done.”

To me, it sounds like Doc doesn't think the team is all set.  Notice how he didn't count the additions of Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens in his assessment of the type of quality players teams had added.

[xmuscularghandix]

but Doc also said last night that he told Danny his top two needs were length and shooting, both things filled by Sheed.

Here's another thing Doc said yesterday:

“I thought when we won it, we were the only team coming into last year that took away from our team and really didn’t add to our team,” Rivers said. “Orlando added to their team and Cleveland added to their team, but we kind of took away from our team (with the losses of James Posey and P.J. Brown). So I did think we needed to add some pieces. Hopefully we’re not done.”

To me, it sounds like Doc doesn't think the team is all set.  Notice how he didn't count the additions of Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens in his assessment of the type of quality players teams had added.

I don't this its any disrespect to JR and Billy, there both early 2nd round picks. plus he doesn't trust rookies anyways.

If anything its disrespect to POB. Which is obvious.