Marion deal a 4-way trade, DAL, TOR, MEM, ORL

[victorycigar]

I got to say I was a little disappointed when I heard the Magic got involved in this trade.  This was a fantastic move by the Magic GM.  They don't lose Turkoglu for nothing, and that $8-9 million trade exception is going to be a very valuable trade chip this year with the salary cap expected to decrease next year.  They could in theory add a $10 million-type player to their roster now.

The question is will the Magic use it?  I am guessing yes because they are already over the cap and have shown the willingness to spend to compete for the title by getting Vince Carter.

[Brickowski]

It's a 7 million-dollar exception only, and cannot be combined with any other exceptions (although it can be divided up to use on multiple players whose deals add up to less than 7 million).

So it will never help the Magic get a 10 million dollar player, only players making 7 million or less.  The cannot use it to retain their own free agents in whom they do not have full Bird rights, either, e.g. Gortat.

[victorycigar]

It's a 7 million-dollar exception only, and cannot be combined with any other exceptions (although it can be divided up to use on multiple players whose deals add up to less than 7 million).

So it will never help the Magic get a 10 million dollar player, only players making 7 million or less.  The cannot use it to retain their own free agents in whom they do not have full Bird rights, either, e.g. Gortat.

I guess we will have to wait for the official release, but the exception is being reported in some outlets as 8-9 million.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-turkoglu-trade-exception-magic-070909,0,4739524.story

One thing you are missing is that you can take back 125% in salary.  So even if it was as low as 7 million, they could take back 8.75 million in salary.  So it is quite possible that they could get a 10 million dollar type player if they use the exception.  I guess they will wait to make a midseason trade if they use it.

[Fafnir]

It's a 7 million-dollar exception only, and cannot be combined with any other exceptions (although it can be divided up to use on multiple players whose deals add up to less than 7 million).

So it will never help the Magic get a 10 million dollar player, only players making 7 million or less.  The cannot use it to retain their own free agents in whom they do not have full Bird rights, either, e.g. Gortat.

The only question is whether or not Orlando is willing to use it.

[PosImpos]

Raptors are now the front runners for the 09-10 championship.

Joke?

[GKC]

Is it me or does the lineup of Jho, Dirk, Gortat, Marion and JKidd seem like the biggest up-tempo lineup since Showtime? Not saying as good as, just saying size wise. Most uptempo teams can't rebound, but this team sure seem's like it could.

[Rida]

It's nice for Orlando that they have a $7 million exception, but are they likely to use it?  They wouldn't sign Hedu, and look likely to pass on Gortat due to luxury tax concerns.  Why, then, would they add a veteran making $7 million+ per season? 

I doubt they use the exception this season.

They aren't gonna use the exception. They are averse to paying luxury tax, other wise they would have resigned Gortat.

Why would Orlando help Toronto out like this? At least get a 2nd round pick out of this. Its rather confusing.

[GKC]

It's nice for Orlando that they have a $7 million exception, but are they likely to use it?  They wouldn't sign Hedu, and look likely to pass on Gortat due to luxury tax concerns.  Why, then, would they add a veteran making $7 million+ per season? 

I doubt they use the exception this season.

Or even more cash. I read it was only 500,000
They aren't gonna use the exception. They are averse to paying luxury tax, other wise they would have resigned Gortat.

Why would Orlando help Toronto out like this? At least get a 2nd round pick out of this. Its rather confusing.

[Fafnir]

It's nice for Orlando that they have a $7 million exception, but are they likely to use it?  They wouldn't sign Hedu, and look likely to pass on Gortat due to luxury tax concerns.  Why, then, would they add a veteran making $7 million+ per season? 

I doubt they use the exception this season.

They aren't gonna use the exception. They are averse to paying luxury tax, other wise they would have resigned Gortat.

Why would Orlando help Toronto out like this? At least get a 2nd round pick out of this. Its rather confusing.

Better to get a trade exception that will give you more options than to get nothing out of it. Who knows, maybe they'll get a pick or some cash out of it too.

[victorycigar]

It's nice for Orlando that they have a $7 million exception, but are they likely to use it?  They wouldn't sign Hedu, and look likely to pass on Gortat due to luxury tax concerns.  Why, then, would they add a veteran making $7 million+ per season? 

I doubt they use the exception this season.

Or even more cash. I read it was only 500,000
They aren't gonna use the exception. They are averse to paying luxury tax, other wise they would have resigned Gortat.

Why would Orlando help Toronto out like this? At least get a 2nd round pick out of this. Its rather confusing.

They already are paying the luxury tax.  I think this is exception give them room to maneuver during the season.  They can make a big trade deadline acquisition if they feel they want to push to win it all.

[Cman]

I find Toronto's end of the deal very interesting.
Could they have signed Turkoglu without taking part in the 4-way?  Last week when it was clear they pirated Hedo away from Portland, it sounded like TOR didn't need to be part of a 4-way to get Hedo.

Okay, so they can take part in the 4-way in order to extract something in return for another team getting Marion.  What do they extract?  They dump Humphries 2 year contract, Nathan Jawai, and a 2nd round pick to get the expiring contracts of Wright and George.  Seems to me they got screwed.  What am I missing?

[Kwhit10]

It sounded like Colangelo wanted to keep Marion, but he couldn't so to help him out (from there ties in Phoenix) he got this deal for him.  Maybe?

[GKC]

I find Toronto's end of the deal very interesting.
Could they have signed Turkoglu without taking part in the 4-way?  Last week when it was clear they pirated Hedo away from Portland, it sounded like TOR didn't need to be part of a 4-way to get Hedo.

Okay, so they can take part in the 4-way in order to extract something in return for another team getting Marion.  What do they extract?  They dump Humphries 2 year contract, Nathan Jawai, and a 2nd round pick to get the expiring contracts of Wright and George.  Seems to me they got screwed.  What am I missing?

They actually win, because it allows them to still use their mid-level, and they're planning to use it to sign some more free agents (latest rumor is Rasho).

"Toronto's acquisition is now technically a trade, which means three things for the Raptors. First, they got a passable wing reserve in the deal in Dallas' Wright. Second, Toronto didn't have to renounce its rights to Carlos Delfino and can sign him as another quality wing. And third, the Raptors still can use their midlevel and biannual exceptions to round out their roster this summer."

That's from Hollinger.

[Cman]

I find Toronto's end of the deal very interesting.
Could they have signed Turkoglu without taking part in the 4-way?  Last week when it was clear they pirated Hedo away from Portland, it sounded like TOR didn't need to be part of a 4-way to get Hedo.

Okay, so they can take part in the 4-way in order to extract something in return for another team getting Marion.  What do they extract?  They dump Humphries 2 year contract, Nathan Jawai, and a 2nd round pick to get the expiring contracts of Wright and George.  Seems to me they got screwed.  What am I missing?

They actually win, because it allows them to still use their mid-level, and they're planning to use it to sign some more free agents (latest rumor is Rasho).

"Toronto's acquisition is now technically a trade, which means three things for the Raptors. First, they got a passable wing reserve in the deal in Dallas' Wright. Second, Toronto didn't have to renounce its rights to Carlos Delfino and can sign him as another quality wing. And third, the Raptors still can use their midlevel and biannual exceptions to round out their roster this summer."

That's from Hollinger.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.  It will be interesting to see who they target with the MLE.  Seems like they are entering full-on "keep Chris Bosh around" time.

[GKC]

Since the signing hasn't been official, I'm wondering since they now have the MLE could get Anthony Parker to pull a boozer (or hedo). He'd at least be starting in TO