If we weren't willing to play KG hurt in the playoffs, why did we play Powe?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth #20]

I believe it is because they were trying to protect their 60 million dollar investment as opposed to their no million dollar investment.

[Birdbrain]

I believe it is because they were trying to protect their 60 million dollar investment as opposed to their no million dollar investment.

Yeah but, that's not fair.

[kozlodoev]

I believe it is because they were trying to protect their 60 million dollar investment as opposed to their no million dollar investment.

Yeah but, that's not fair.

There is medical staff that has a say on who plays and who doesn't. Blaming the team (or the player, for that matter) is pure speculation.

[guava_wrench]

Isn't the answer simple and obvious? KG tried to come back. He played a few games, until the knee reached the point where it wasn't working. They tried to hold out for the knee to be usable in a game, but it didn't happen.

Powe didn't know the extent of the injury and stopped playing the game it gave out.

Where is the controversy? There is none.

[crownsy]

I believe it is because they were trying to protect their 60 million dollar investment as opposed to their no million dollar investment.

Yeah but, that's not fair.

That's the business world, and life in general.

rarely is it based on fairness.

Leon's life story and history injury are tragic, but again, that doesn't obligate the boston celtics to make a horrible business decision and pay him for nothing as a charity case.

Plenty of people with worse life history's than leon powe's struggle to get by everyday, and they don't have the hundreds of thousands of dollars he's already banked and the potential millions in earnings potential.

Life's not fair for them either, and their future outlook is decidedly more bleak than leon's..

[BudweiserCeltic]

This is complete nonsense.

[mgent]

You guys don't understand anything, how is this nonsense?
It was a known fact Powe was nursing his other knee before the playoffs and he wasn't yet at 100%  Ever think that because that knee wasn't perfect he was favoring his other one?  That's called COMMON sense.
This is the freakin' NBA.  No guy in their right mind is gonna refuse to play.  Rondo plays hurt often, and Delonte did it more than any other guy i know (and still does from what i hear).  I'm sure KG would've played if Doc let him.
Now Leon's knee was obviously not bad enough for the medical staff to say no, but the fact is why didn't we play it 'better safe than sorry'?  If Powe had said no to his team people would've given him crap for that too.
And why do you have to bring up that charity case stuff again?  No intelligent people i know actually use charity as a reason to keep Powe.  He doesn't deserve to be paid cause he had a tragic life and got injured, he deserves to be paid because he has proved himself and will be useful again after he has healed.

[dark_lord]

99% of the people in Boston were convinced we couldn't win without KG.  So why did we even bother putting Powe in there if he wasn't 100%?  If we were gonna lose anyway why wasn't Moore starting?

[guava_wrench]

You guys don't understand anything, how is this nonsense?
It was a known fact Powe was nursing his other knee before the playoffs and he wasn't yet at 100%  Ever think that because that knee wasn't perfect he was favoring his other one?  That's called COMMON sense.
This is the freakin' NBA.  No guy in their right mind is gonna refuse to play.  Rondo plays hurt often, and Delonte did it more than any other guy i know (and still does from what i hear).  I'm sure KG would've played if Doc let him.
Now Leon's knee was obviously not bad enough for the medical staff to say no, but the fact is why didn't we play it 'better safe than sorry'?  If Powe had said no to his team people would've given him crap for that too.
And why do you have to bring up that charity case stuff again?  No intelligent people i know actually use charity as a reason to keep Powe.  He doesn't deserve to be paid cause he had a tragic life and got injured, he deserves to be paid because he has proved himself and will be useful again after he has healed.

Most players are hurt at the end of the season. You don't know when further injury will occur. Remember how Pierce refused to get an MRI in the finals? He wanted to play since he was physically able. KG was not physically able.

[guava_wrench]

99% of the people in Boston were convinced we couldn't win without KG.  So why did we even bother putting Powe in there if he wasn't 100%?  If we were gonna lose anyway why wasn't Moore starting?

Who on the team was 100%? Ray and Paul both had problems. Perk had a bum shoulder again. But they all wanted to play as long as they were physically able to.

KG wasn't physically able.

[johnnyrondo]

Ainge was willing to play KG. He kept saying that it was up to KG.

[johnnyrondo]

99% of the people in Boston were convinced we couldn't win without KG.  So why did we even bother putting Powe in there if he wasn't 100%?  If we were gonna lose anyway why wasn't Moore starting?

Powe did not play in the playoffs...

um, Powe got hurt in game 2 of the Chicago series.  He played 17 minutes in game 1 and 8 minutes in game 2 before he got hurt.

Like I said, Powe did not PLAY in the playoffs.

Wrong. Powe did PLAY. And without him in games 1 and 2, not sure we get by Chicago. Remember Scal was unavailable those first two games, so all we had for big men off the bench was Mikki.

[crownsy]

You guys don't understand anything, how is this nonsense?
It was a known fact Powe was nursing his other knee before the playoffs and he wasn't yet at 100%  Ever think that because that knee wasn't perfect he was favoring his other one?  That's called COMMON sense.
This is the freakin' NBA.  No guy in their right mind is gonna refuse to play.  Rondo plays hurt often, and Delonte did it more than any other guy i know (and still does from what i hear).  I'm sure KG would've played if Doc let him.
Now Leon's knee was obviously not bad enough for the medical staff to say no, but the fact is why didn't we play it 'better safe than sorry'?  If Powe had said no to his team people would've given him crap for that too.
And why do you have to bring up that charity case stuff again?  No intelligent people i know actually use charity as a reason to keep Powe.  He doesn't deserve to be paid cause he had a tragic life and got injured, he deserves to be paid because he has proved himself and will be useful again after he has healed.

I'm  sorry i don't meet your criteria of an intelligent person, my entire day is ruined now 

but, backhanded flames at my intelligence aside, all of that is complete speculation (the fact that he will be useful once healed, this is his fourth major knee injury, the third to that knee. That's a concern on an undersized tweener who realis on his athleticism as much as leon does) and is in fact a clear justification of paying him to not play, at the very best, until 3/4ths of the way through the season.

That's a charity handout, whether your comfortable admitting it to yourself or not.

He has full use of our facilities and training staff until he is fully healed, the celtics have been very, very VERY clear on that, and leon has thanked them for that and taken them up on thier offer. If he uses those advantages to get healthy, and we have a roster spot post Christmas, great, we will sign him.

If not, then if he is as valuable as you say, another team will sign him once he is healthy, and he will have every shot at EARNING his money.

But the ONLY possible explanation for paying him right now and taking up a roster spot we could use elsewhere while he rehabs is charity. You want to pay him 1.6 million dollars of the celtics money to rehab. That's a sweet deal for a guy who can't play and already has full access to our training staff for rehab purposes.

I don't, because i don't believe in paying people who can't work to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy inside. He has full access to every single advantage the celtics can give him to get healthy, that's all the Celtics need to do at this point.

If he does so, and we have a roster spot after Christmas, I am 1000% on board with singing him, he's one of my favorite celtic players. If not, i wish him well once he recovers with whatever team he lands with.

AS BBall said, the people who want the Celtics to use a roster spot on leon and throw him some free money seem to have a hard time accepting that basketball is a business. Like all business, sometimes it isn't fair. It sucks that leon got hurt, I wish with all my heart i could change it, but it happened, and such is life. It's not always fair 

[BudweiserCeltic]

You guys don't understand anything, how is this nonsense?
It was a known fact Powe was nursing his other knee before the playoffs and he wasn't yet at 100%  Ever think that because that knee wasn't perfect he was favoring his other one?  That's called COMMON sense.
This is the freakin' NBA.  No guy in their right mind is gonna refuse to play.  Rondo plays hurt often, and Delonte did it more than any other guy i know (and still does from what i hear).  I'm sure KG would've played if Doc let him.
Now Leon's knee was obviously not bad enough for the medical staff to say no, but the fact is why didn't we play it 'better safe than sorry'?  If Powe had said no to his team people would've given him crap for that too.
And why do you have to bring up that charity case stuff again?  No intelligent people i know actually use charity as a reason to keep Powe.  He doesn't deserve to be paid cause he had a tragic life and got injured, he deserves to be paid because he has proved himself and will be useful again after he has healed.

It's nonsense because the injuries are not the same. That you're pretty much treating them as such means that you're being ignorant about the situation.

Powe could play so he played. KG couldn't play, so he didn't play. It's quite simple really. If KG had Powe's injury, he would've been playing... same with Powe having KG's injury... he wouldn't have because he couldn't.

[expobear]

You guys don't understand anything, how is this nonsense?
It was a known fact Powe was nursing his other knee before the playoffs and he wasn't yet at 100%  Ever think that because that knee wasn't perfect he was favoring his other one?  That's called COMMON sense.
This is the freakin' NBA.  No guy in their right mind is gonna refuse to play.  Rondo plays hurt often, and Delonte did it more than any other guy i know (and still does from what i hear).  I'm sure KG would've played if Doc let him.
Now Leon's knee was obviously not bad enough for the medical staff to say no, but the fact is why didn't we play it 'better safe than sorry'?  If Powe had said no to his team people would've given him crap for that too.
And why do you have to bring up that charity case stuff again?  No intelligent people i know actually use charity as a reason to keep Powe.  He doesn't deserve to be paid cause he had a tragic life and got injured, he deserves to be paid because he has proved himself and will be useful again after he has healed.

I'm  sorry i don't meet your criteria of an intelligent person, my entire day is ruined now 

but, backhanded flames at my intelligence aside, all of that is complete speculation (the fact that he will be useful once healed, this is his fourth major knee injury, the third to that knee. That's a concern on an undersized tweener who realis on his athleticism as much as leon does) and is in fact a clear justification of paying him to not play, at the very best, until 3/4ths of the way through the season.

That's a charity handout, whether your comfortable admitting it to yourself or not.

He has full use of our facilities and training staff until he is fully healed, the celtics have been very, very VERY clear on that, and leon has thanked them for that and taken them up on thier offer. If he uses those advantages to get healthy, and we have a roster spot post Christmas, great, we will sign him.

If not, then if he is as valuable as you say, another team will sign him once he is healthy, and he will have every shot at EARNING his money.

But the ONLY possible explanation for paying him right now and taking up a roster spot we could use elsewhere while he rehabs is charity. You want to pay him 1.6 million dollars of the celtics money to rehab. That's a sweet deal for a guy who can't play and already has full access to our training staff for rehab purposes.

I don't, because i don't believe in paying people who can't work to make yourself feel all warm and fuzzy inside. He has full access to every single advantage the celtics can give him to get healthy, that's all the Celtics need to do at this point.

If he does so, and we have a roster spot after Christmas, I am 1000% on board with singing him, he's one of my favorite celtic players. If not, i wish him well once he recovers with whatever team he lands with.

AS BBall said, the people who want the Celtics to use a roster spot on leon and throw him some free money seem to have a hard time accepting that basketball is a business. Like all business, sometimes it isn't fair. It sucks that leon got hurt, I wish with all my heart i could change it, but it happened, and such is life. It's not always fair 

Why is it charity if the Celtics had signed Powe to a vet minimum?  Powe was definitely underpaid for the past two seasons, no doubt about that. Powe was a hard and loyal worker for the Celtics, a fan favorite to most and from what I hear, doing great work in the community. I'm not saying the Celtics should have signed Powe to a multi-year, multi-million dollar contract but a vet minimum while he's rehabbing makes sense in locking him up cheaply if he recovers and it would have been the ethical thing to do.  Business decision, yes but much like laying off a longtime worker in the year his/her pension becomes fully vested. It may be the right thing to do from a business standpoint but something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Whether life's not fair or not, Powe deserved a little better, even if the Celtics didn't think much of Powe as a player.