Is Powe now UFA?

[Fafnir]

i always thought it was july 1st. i have no idea.. i think we would have heard something though.

Oh, yeah. It's midnight tomorrow. Perhaps some news tomorrow.

I'd be absolutely shocked if they extend an offer when they know they can low ball him with the minimum and he pretty much has to take it.

I don't see any of the other 29 teams racing to sign a guy coming off his 4th major knee surgery.

It sucks for leon, because no one deserves a big pay day more than powe pimping, but is smart business by the C's. They can get him at a pretty hefty discount if they just offer the minimum instead of the qualifying offer.

He'd just take the QO and become unrestricted the next year at a decent wage. I hope the Celtics can lock him up for another year beyond that by not extending the QO.

[Fan from VT]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

They have the cap room to sign either and their salary is low enough to afford moderate contracts to a backup big. Still I'd hate to see either exiled to Memphis....

Sign & Trade? Involving Warrick? Arthur?

[Fafnir]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

They have the cap room to sign either and their salary is low enough to afford moderate contracts to a backup big. Still I'd hate to see either exiled to Memphis....

Sign & Trade? Involving Warrick? Arthur?

I'm not sure either side would gain much from that.

[timepiece33]

I'm not sure either side would gain much from that.

Outside of threatening to match an offer and taking compensation instead of doing it, I don't see how much leverage we have.  If we sign Wallace, I believe this should be a consideration if Memphis is open to it.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

i always thought it was july 1st. i have no idea.. i think we would have heard something though.

Oh, yeah. It's midnight tomorrow. Perhaps some news tomorrow.

Fingers. Crossed. Tightly.

[Fan from VT]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

They have the cap room to sign either and their salary is low enough to afford moderate contracts to a backup big. Still I'd hate to see either exiled to Memphis....

Sign & Trade? Involving Warrick? Arthur?

well, if they were going to let warrick walk anyway, we could just threaten to match any offer they make to davis unless they agreed to a s&t with warrick. Then, with the way the cap is working, i think we'd have to accept about 50% of Davis's outgoing salary in a trade, so whatever Davis signs for, they'd sign warrick for 50% or so of that and send him to us.

The benefit for them is that the get Davis at the price they wanted without the risk of us matching and keeping him (like what happened when they made an offer for josh smith last year and lost out on him).

The benefit for us is that if we really didn't want to spend that much on davis, we'd be spending 1/2 as much on an athletic 3/4 like Warrick and wouldn't have had to dip into any MLE money to do so. In other words, if we weren't going to match a heavy offer for davis anyway, it'd be like getting extra FA money. And if they wanted to toss arthur in too, all the better.

[winsomme]

Instead of extending the QO, I would try to negotiate an extension with the money paritlaly guaranteed this year and nonguaranteed in later years.

The problem with extending the QO is that he spends the whole year rehabbing on your nickel and then becomes unrestricted next year.  If you are going to pay him to rehab, you need to lock him up for longer than a year.

The other thing is that the qualifying offer would actually be for more than the minimum for Powe. 

I think what you have outlined is exactly what will happen.  They will give him a partially guaranteed deal, that includes club options for at least one extra year.  This way Powe gets paid for this year, so he can rehab, and for the C's trouble, they get him on the cheap next year, when he could in theory be healthy again.

but then you lose his Bird  Rights and have to use your exceptions to sign him. unless you are only offering the absolute minimum.

I think he deserves more than that. and more importantly, might get offers more than that....

[Rondo2287]

Dont get me wrong, I love Powe, just as much as everyone else.  But im worried that a knee injury to an already undersized powerforward who relys on his energy and effort to get rebounds and score down low may mean that his career as we know it is over. 

[slamtheking]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

They have the cap room to sign either and their salary is low enough to afford moderate contracts to a backup big. Still I'd hate to see either exiled to Memphis....

Sign & Trade? Involving Warrick? Arthur?

well, if they were going to let warrick walk anyway, we could just threaten to match any offer they make to davis unless they agreed to a s&t with warrick. Then, with the way the cap is working, i think we'd have to accept about 50% of Davis's outgoing salary in a trade, so whatever Davis signs for, they'd sign warrick for 50% or so of that and send him to us.

The benefit for them is that the get Davis at the price they wanted without the risk of us matching and keeping him (like what happened when they made an offer for josh smith last year and lost out on him).

The benefit for us is that if we really didn't want to spend that much on davis, we'd be spending 1/2 as much on an athletic 3/4 like Warrick and wouldn't have had to dip into any MLE money to do so. In other words, if we weren't going to match a heavy offer for davis anyway, it'd be like getting extra FA money. And if they wanted to toss arthur in too, all the better.

I'm not sure that's how it works.  I could be wrong but wouldn't Warrick be in the same situation as BBD when matching incoming and outgoing salaries are accounted for?  Memphis may be under the cap but I believe there's implications on our side also.  I'm not sure Warrick would take the salary needed to make this work.

Swapping Warrick for BBD, if possible, would seem to fill the hole at the backup wing with a good young athlete behind PP.  We definitely need a skilled big to come if this deal went down.

[Fafnir]

Instead of extending the QO, I would try to negotiate an extension with the money paritlaly guaranteed this year and nonguaranteed in later years.

The problem with extending the QO is that he spends the whole year rehabbing on your nickel and then becomes unrestricted next year.  If you are going to pay him to rehab, you need to lock him up for longer than a year.

The other thing is that the qualifying offer would actually be for more than the minimum for Powe. 

I think what you have outlined is exactly what will happen.  They will give him a partially guaranteed deal, that includes club options for at least one extra year.  This way Powe gets paid for this year, so he can rehab, and for the C's trouble, they get him on the cheap next year, when he could in theory be healthy again.

but then you lose his Bird  Rights and have to use your exceptions to sign him. unless you are only offering the absolute minimum.

I think he deserves more than that. and more importantly, might get offers more than that....

I don't believe you lose his bird rights, I thought you just lost the right to match any offer. I don't see anything in the Coon Salary FAQ that says we'd lose the ability to sign him with our bird rights. We didn't use the MLE to sign Tony Allen after all and we did not extend the QO to him.

[Gainesville Celtic]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

Maybe they're planning on having Darrell Arthur sit on BBD's shoulders to make a legit-sized PF...

[Fafnir]

ESPN insider is reporting in its Rumors that Memphis is going to be looking for a power foward and have named Leon Powe and Glen Davis as 2 players they are interested in signing.

I cant really see them going after Powe all that hard, but I could see them going after Davis pretty hard. 

They have the cap room to sign either and their salary is low enough to afford moderate contracts to a backup big. Still I'd hate to see either exiled to Memphis....

Sign & Trade? Involving Warrick? Arthur?

well, if they were going to let warrick walk anyway, we could just threaten to match any offer they make to davis unless they agreed to a s&t with warrick. Then, with the way the cap is working, i think we'd have to accept about 50% of Davis's outgoing salary in a trade, so whatever Davis signs for, they'd sign warrick for 50% or so of that and send him to us.

The benefit for them is that the get Davis at the price they wanted without the risk of us matching and keeping him (like what happened when they made an offer for josh smith last year and lost out on him).

The benefit for us is that if we really didn't want to spend that much on davis, we'd be spending 1/2 as much on an athletic 3/4 like Warrick and wouldn't have had to dip into any MLE money to do so. In other words, if we weren't going to match a heavy offer for davis anyway, it'd be like getting extra FA money. And if they wanted to toss arthur in too, all the better.

I'm not sure Warrick would agree to a contract as small as half of BBD's salary. But yes I see how it could benefit us, if you think Warrick would be a good addition. I dont' think it will happen though. It would take four parties negotiating to make it happen, I don't think that is too likely.