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Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« on: June 27, 2009, 10:25:40 AM »

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This was pretty interesting stuff bu espn

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It was hard deciding between TO and Brett Farve for the last spot, but in the end I gave it to Brett. How a player holds a team hostage for about 5 years and wastes a year of another is beyond me.

I hated to admit it, but Kurt Warner has led two teams to good times, and they were bad teams too. Not easy to take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl. They hardly had a playoff history.

I tried to put distracted guys (the kind that decides Dancing with the Stars is more important than working out with the team) and guys that quit on teams towards the bottom

Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
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Tom Brady has easily the most number one votes, but Peyton is in first.. I'm thinking that Patriot haters ranked the minimum of 5 and left Brady off their ballot entirely which is hurting him. He should absolutely be #1.

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 12:48:31 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
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Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 12:59:13 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
Career numbers:

                      Warner     Peyton
Games Played           109         176
Games Possible        176         176
Passing Yards         28591       45628
Completions           2327        3839
Attempts              3557        5960
Accuracy              65.4%       64.4%
Avg                   8.0         7.7
TDs                   182         333
Ints                  114         165
Fumbles               27          18

Very similar except that Manning is much better than Warner at not turning the ball over. Avoiding turnovers is the biggest thing that a QB can do. Add to the fact that Manning has started every game for his team in the same time frame, and played at a high level all but his Rookie year and he's clearly the better QB.

I don't see what Dan Marino has to do with comparing two completely different QBs from a different era of football.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 01:09:33 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
Career numbers:

                      Warner     Peyton
Games Played           109         176
Games Possible        176         176
Passing Yards         28591       45628
Completions           2327        3839
Attempts              3557        5960
Accuracy              65.4%       64.4%
Avg                   8.0         7.7
TDs                   182         333
Ints                  114         165
Fumbles               27          18

Very similar except that Manning is much better than Warner at not turning the ball over. Avoiding turnovers is the biggest thing that a QB can do. Add to the fact that Manning has started every game for his team in the same time frame, and played at a high level all but his Rookie year and he's clearly the better QB.

I don't see what Dan Marino has to do with comparing two completely different QBs from a different era of football.

99% of those are regular season stats... look up Marino's for consistency, he was a regular-season hero also. Warner outperformed Manning in the playoffs when it mattered the most.

We owned the Colts and their choker QB almost every time in the 2ks. They got lucky that 1 year, grats to them, doesn't make him better than Warner tho
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Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 01:15:50 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
Career numbers:

                      Warner     Peyton
Games Played           109         176
Games Possible        176         176
Passing Yards         28591       45628
Completions           2327        3839
Attempts              3557        5960
Accuracy              65.4%       64.4%
Avg                   8.0         7.7
TDs                   182         333
Ints                  114         165
Fumbles               27          18

Very similar except that Manning is much better than Warner at not turning the ball over. Avoiding turnovers is the biggest thing that a QB can do. Add to the fact that Manning has started every game for his team in the same time frame, and played at a high level all but his Rookie year and he's clearly the better QB.

I don't see what Dan Marino has to do with comparing two completely different QBs from a different era of football.

99% of those are regular season stats... look up Marino's for consistency, he was a regular-season hero also. Warner outperformed Manning in the playoffs when it mattered the most.

We owned the Colts and their choker QB almost every time in the 2ks. They got lucky that 1 year, grats to them, doesn't make him better than Warner tho
So basically we should ignore the majority of the games they played, their career stats, their total wins/win percentage, and everything else because the Pats beat the Colts several times in the playoffs.

Except that one time when they got "lucky". Oh and you obviously don't like the guy, so he's a "choker". Sounds a lot like what people said about KG before he got to Boston....

I think most of the time the Pats have had the better team than the Colts, and that is why they've won. That shouldn't diminish what Peyton has done throughout his career.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 02:02:17 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
Career numbers:

                      Warner     Peyton
Games Played           109         176
Games Possible        176         176
Passing Yards         28591       45628
Completions           2327        3839
Attempts              3557        5960
Accuracy              65.4%       64.4%
Avg                   8.0         7.7
TDs                   182         333
Ints                  114         165
Fumbles               27          18

Very similar except that Manning is much better than Warner at not turning the ball over. Avoiding turnovers is the biggest thing that a QB can do. Add to the fact that Manning has started every game for his team in the same time frame, and played at a high level all but his Rookie year and he's clearly the better QB.

I don't see what Dan Marino has to do with comparing two completely different QBs from a different era of football.

99% of those are regular season stats... look up Marino's for consistency, he was a regular-season hero also. Warner outperformed Manning in the playoffs when it mattered the most.

We owned the Colts and their choker QB almost every time in the 2ks. They got lucky that 1 year, grats to them, doesn't make him better than Warner tho
So basically we should ignore the majority of the games they played, their career stats, their total wins/win percentage, and everything else because the Pats beat the Colts several times in the playoffs.

Except that one time when they got "lucky". Oh and you obviously don't like the guy, so he's a "choker". Sounds a lot like what people said about KG before he got to Boston....

I think most of the time the Pats have had the better team than the Colts, and that is why they've won. That shouldn't diminish what Peyton has done throughout his career.

I must say that I find it hard to think that Warner should be rated higher than Manning.  I've got to go with Brady as #1 overall because of the superbowl wins (has nothing to do with being a pats fan  ;) ), but Warner hasn't even been able to maintain a starting job this decade and Manning has had the Colts in the playoffs pretty much every year.  That alone ranks Manning higher than Warner.

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 02:23:08 AM »

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Kurt Warner should be ranked ahead of Peyton Manning. He has the same amount of Super Bowl wins and the guy took Arizona to the Super Bowl. You take the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and nearly win, you deserve to be up there imo
Petyon Mannning other than his rookie year has consistently been a better QB than Warner. Warner's best years rival Mannings, but he also was hurt/benched/out of the league for a long time.

There is a huge value to having stability at the QB position. Peyton pretty much defines that for the current era. (I consider Brett to be from the previous era)

So if we're rewarding consistency at QB let's just put Dan Marino ahead of Brady and Montana? Manning is basically Marino Jr., who lucked out in 1 specific year. And I'd actually rank Marino higher, because of the generation and the rules he played under. He's only gone to the SuperBowl once, and Warner has gone to 3. Warner has won 1, lost one to the GOAT QB of all time, imo(Tom Brady), and nearly defeated the #1 defense for that year with a franchise who hasn't even sniffed the PLAYOFFS in what, decades?

Manning=overrated.
Career numbers:

                      Warner     Peyton
Games Played           109         176
Games Possible        176         176
Passing Yards         28591       45628
Completions           2327        3839
Attempts              3557        5960
Accuracy              65.4%       64.4%
Avg                   8.0         7.7
TDs                   182         333
Ints                  114         165
Fumbles               27          18

Very similar except that Manning is much better than Warner at not turning the ball over. Avoiding turnovers is the biggest thing that a QB can do. Add to the fact that Manning has started every game for his team in the same time frame, and played at a high level all but his Rookie year and he's clearly the better QB.

I don't see what Dan Marino has to do with comparing two completely different QBs from a different era of football.

99% of those are regular season stats... look up Marino's for consistency, he was a regular-season hero also. Warner outperformed Manning in the playoffs when it mattered the most.

We owned the Colts and their choker QB almost every time in the 2ks. They got lucky that 1 year, grats to them, doesn't make him better than Warner tho
So basically we should ignore the majority of the games they played, their career stats, their total wins/win percentage, and everything else because the Pats beat the Colts several times in the playoffs.

Except that one time when they got "lucky". Oh and you obviously don't like the guy, so he's a "choker". Sounds a lot like what people said about KG before he got to Boston....

I think most of the time the Pats have had the better team than the Colts, and that is why they've won. That shouldn't diminish what Peyton has done throughout his career.

I must say that I find it hard to think that Warner should be rated higher than Manning.  I've got to go with Brady as #1 overall because of the superbowl wins (has nothing to do with being a pats fan  ;) ), but Warner hasn't even been able to maintain a starting job this decade and Manning has had the Colts in the playoffs pretty much every year.  That alone ranks Manning higher than Warner.

Who cares? Marino had the Dolphins in the playoffs every year, too! What are they, the franchise with the most wins in the reg season? It's a joke.  :D The fact that these ESPN tards rate Manning over Brady(which all of this started with) is just outright laughable. They're not even close
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Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 07:02:18 AM »

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Warner has been benched and removed from two different teams and has just four seasons in his entire career where he played 12 or more games in a season (and one of those seasons wasn't this decade).  Warner is just 3 games above .500 this decade and if you take out the two years to start the decade in St. Louis, he is way way below .500.  He is no where near the QB that Manning is.  It is a ridiculous argument.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 08:23:23 AM »

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There's no way that Warner is better than Manning.

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Re: Ranking the all-decade NFL team
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 08:30:21 AM »

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Who cares? Marino had the Dolphins in the playoffs every year, too! What are they, the franchise with the most wins in the reg season? It's a joke.  :D The fact that these ESPN tards rate Manning over Brady(which all of this started with) is just outright laughable. They're not even close
They are pretty close in my opinion. Both put up crazy stats in their best offensive year and both are winners. The year Peyton set the TD that Brady broke he sat the second half of all four games against the NFC North. Brady could have padded his stats more too.

I can see why Pats fans take Brady over Manning, rings are rings. But I think if you put Manning on those Patriot teams they'd still have won.