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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2009, 03:41:51 PM »

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IMHO it's so obvious what's going to happen and Minny saw it coming.

They knew Rubio wouldn't want to play in Minny and TOOK HIM ANYWAYS so they can use him as a trading chip....saaaay for Stephen Curry (they did just trade away Mike Miller after all) or dare I say DAVID LEE (S&T).
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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2009, 03:57:54 PM »

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IMHO it's so obvious what's going to happen and Minny saw it coming.

They knew Rubio wouldn't want to play in Minny and TOOK HIM ANYWAYS so they can use him as a trading chip....saaaay for Stephen Curry (they did just trade away Mike Miller after all) or dare I say DAVID LEE (S&T).

Then why didnt they just draft Curry?

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2009, 04:01:16 PM »

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I don't get the "he has to man up and play" or the "its his fault he shunned teams" comments. Entering the draft does not in any way obligate anyone to play in the NBA, and as such it is not as if he is holding out or anything like that. As a professional, he has all the right in the world to determine the best situation for him.

He was pain from the start. Saying he wont play for Memphis. Not being open to teams. It was mystery of when and if he'd show up to interviews.

He's not obligated to play in the NBA, you can't force anyone to do that.

But when **** around with everyones time and money if you're not going to play? Why did he enter the draft?


It's not like when the C's drafted Bird, and they knew he'd be in college one more year. With Rubio, you have no idea.


Imagine if Griffin did the same thing? It'll make the draft a complete joke - and the bad teams will forever be bad, if the player gain that much power to demand trades before they even sign.

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2009, 04:17:55 PM »

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It's not fair for the top prospects to refuse to play for bad teams or bad franchises.  The whole point of the draft is for teams that have a losing history or are in a bad place at the time to try to improve themselves outside of trading away their current assets.

I posted my feelings on this in another thread:

"Honestly it makes me kind of angry that these players "refuse" to play in certain places.  I understand that for Rubio it's partially motivated by money - he really needed to be picked top 3 to get the kind of money he needs to pay off his buyout.  But besides that, I don't know who these NBA prospects think they are, acting like they have the right to pick and choose where they do and do not want to play.

I think it was Hasheem Thabeet who was saying during an interview that he's just thankful to be blessed enough to get to play in the NBA, regardless of where he's playing.  That's the attitude that these kids should have.  They are blessed.  They should play whereever they have a chance to play.  It's not their right to complain about whether they like the place they are going to or not and then threaten to refuse.

"Oh the weather is cold." "It's not a big market."  "The franchise has a losing history."

Get over it.  In ten years when you're rolling in mountains of cash and you have your face on posters in the bedrooms of children all over America you can turn up the heat all you want."

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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2009, 06:48:11 PM »

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According to the Spanish news Web site Marca.com, the father of new Minnesota Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio may remain in Spain for a few more years rather than play in the NBA. According to Esteve Rubio, "Ahora mismo, es muy probable que Ricky se quede uno o dos aƱos en Europa." Translated, it says, "Right now, it is probably that Ricky will remain one or two years in Europe."

Sorry, I know this is a minor thing, but why did they incorrectly translate this quote into an English sentence that doesn't even make sense.

"RIght now, it is very probable that Ricky remains one or two years in Europe" would be the both the correct translation and an actual coherent English sentence.  Also, the emphasis on "muy" (very) implies an even stronger tone to the words of his father than the original translation. It's not such a huge difference but I'm just sayin...

Oh yeah, and that's crazy that Ricky might try to pull this off.  [dang], poor Minnesota.

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2009, 06:50:22 PM »

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Yeah, I want to like Ricky Rubio but I'm going to be really mad at him if he just stays in Europe.  You entered the draft, you got drafted, now play for the team that drafted you.  Stop being such a whiner.

So what if it's cold?  So what if it's a small market?  You have to start somewhere.  Get over it.  You wanted to play in the NBA, now play in the NBA.
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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2009, 07:06:26 PM »

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If I were Minny I'd be happy if Rubio waits a couple of years to come. That means that when they actually become competitive, they'll still have Rubio at the rookie scale contract (if they become competitive).

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2009, 07:22:43 PM »

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Yeah, I want to like Ricky Rubio but I'm going to be really mad at him if he just stays in Europe.  You entered the draft, you got drafted, now play for the team that drafted you.  Stop being such a whiner.

So what if it's cold?  So what if it's a small market?  You have to start somewhere.  Get over it.  You wanted to play in the NBA, now play in the NBA.

I think he has been saying all along it would be really difficult to get a buy out if he didn't go top 3.

At the # 5 pay scale, the buyout is more than what he'd make playing for Minny.  So he's looking at either going in debt playing in the NBA -or- making 6 million bucks playing in Europe.  Can you really blame him? 

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2009, 07:31:08 PM »

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Yeah, I want to like Ricky Rubio but I'm going to be really mad at him if he just stays in Europe.  You entered the draft, you got drafted, now play for the team that drafted you.  Stop being such a whiner.

So what if it's cold?  So what if it's a small market?  You have to start somewhere.  Get over it.  You wanted to play in the NBA, now play in the NBA.

I think he has been saying all along it would be really difficult to get a buy out if he didn't go top 3.

At the # 5 pay scale, the buyout is more than what he'd make playing for Minny.  So he's looking at either going in debt playing in the NBA -or- making 6 million bucks playing in Europe.  Can you really blame him? 

I don't think that is entirely true. I think they were reporting that there was some flexibility in the buyout from his former team. in part, he might be able to pay whatever the agreed amount is over a period of time...so he wouldn't owe it all at once.

personally, I think this has to do with not really wanting to play in Minnesota.

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2009, 07:39:07 PM »

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According to the Spanish news Web site Marca.com, the father of new Minnesota Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio may remain in Spain for a few more years rather than play in the NBA. According to Esteve Rubio, "Ahora mismo, es muy probable que Ricky se quede uno o dos años en Europa." Translated, it says, "Right now, it is probably that Ricky will remain one or two years in Europe."

Sorry, I know this is a minor thing, but why did they incorrectly translate this quote into an English sentence that doesn't even make sense.

"RIght now, it is very probable that Ricky remains one or two years in Europe" would be the both the correct translation and an actual coherent English sentence.  Also, the emphasis on "muy" (very) implies an even stronger tone to the words of his father than the original translation. It's not such a huge difference but I'm just sayin...

Oh yeah, and that's crazy that Ricky might try to pull this off.  [dang], poor Minnesota.

not necesarily
muy probable its just as tough as u want it to hear it
its obiously more tough than just probably
but  probably or very probably it doesnt say anything at all
its generic or it deppends on how u want to hear it
hes just doing hes PR job :p

Now
the right fight here is that he wants another team
thats a fact ( hes a stupid for not seing what he have in AJ) :)

if so hes a moron plain and simple and hes a 18years old inmature moron btw
hate the sport when it turns into this kind of things.
 
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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2009, 07:41:59 PM »

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http://www.marca.com/2009/06/26/baloncesto/nba/1246040526.html

Apparently there's some negotiations with the Knicks for a sign and trade. There are some speculations that the Wolves knew that Ricky didn't want to play there from the very beginning and they picked him anyways (great trade asset).

Seems like Ricky won't be present when the draft picks are introduced to Minnesota, so that's another sign that he might be going elsewhere.

Seems like he's wondering why he dropped as far as he did and why Sacramento didn't pick him. Seems like his problems with his Spain club might've scared off Sacramento when expert lawyers from both the US and Spain met. In all, Sacramento couldn't take the risk of taking a player that might not be available to them right away.

It still seems like his main goal is to play in the NBA next year, particularly if he is with the Knicks.

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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2009, 08:11:00 PM »

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Yeah, I want to like Ricky Rubio but I'm going to be really mad at him if he just stays in Europe.  You entered the draft, you got drafted, now play for the team that drafted you.  Stop being such a whiner.

So what if it's cold?  So what if it's a small market?  You have to start somewhere.  Get over it.  You wanted to play in the NBA, now play in the NBA.

I think he has been saying all along it would be really difficult to get a buy out if he didn't go top 3.

At the # 5 pay scale, the buyout is more than what he'd make playing for Minny.  So he's looking at either going in debt playing in the NBA -or- making 6 million bucks playing in Europe.  Can you really blame him? 

Yeah, from the perspective of money I can understand staying in Europe.  But supposedly they are working to lower the buyout amount since it is so much more than what he makes each year and he's required to pay it himself (a crooked contract if I ever heard of one).

If they negotiate the buyout down to a reasonable amount then he has no excuse.
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Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2009, 12:39:26 AM »

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He was pain from the start. Saying he wont play for Memphis. Not being open to teams. It was mystery of when and if he'd show up to interviews.

He's not obligated to play in the NBA, you can't force anyone to do that.

But when **** around with everyones time and money if you're not going to play? Why did he enter the draft?


It's not like when the C's drafted Bird, and they knew he'd be in college one more year. With Rubio, you have no idea.


Imagine if Griffin did the same thing? It'll make the draft a complete joke - and the bad teams will forever be bad, if the player gain that much power to demand trades before they even sign.

What you are ignoring is that he is not an American college kid. Which means two things:
- he already has a contract with a professional team
- in terms of childhood dreams, taking the hometown team to the euro league probably ranks as high up there as playing in the nba.

So you can't really compare his decision making process to that of an American college player.

Another thing that people need to understand is that becoming draft eligible is in no way a promise to play in the nba (just like the nba team can stash him overseas if it so chooses). International players are automatically considered eligible at a certain age, he just entered it earlier.

And this seems like a [dang]ed if you do, [dang]ed if you don't type of situation. He outlines the conditions he would need to make a contract buyout advantageous enough to do so before the draft, and people slam him for being picky. Then those conditions fail to materialize and people slam him for failing to play for his drafted team.


Here is the basics of his contract situation: he makes 300 k euro net until 2011. This translates roughly to close to 500k dollars tax free. Add to this his ad revenue being a major player in a major european league and he makes quite a bit of dough.

As a 5th pick, he would make slightly more than 2.5 million dollars, minus taxes. Not only that, he would have to pay 6 million dollars out of his own pocket to buy his contract out from Europe.

So never mind the weather and the smaller mid west town: he would be making significantly less money playing for Minnesota (being in deep debt for at least 2 years). Add to that the fact that he would be playing in a tougher league (both talent and schedule wise), in a crappy franchise who drafted 2 other players in his position, in a city with significantly less ad revenue potential. Being in New York at least negates a lot of that difference in his income through endorsements and the potential of playing with a major star next year.


Why would any sane person choose that? Why would he essentially pay to go from being one of the top stars in a Spanish playoff team in a major metropolitan area in his home country while making more money to a situation where he would fight for minutes in a joke of a franchise in a situation where he wont be competing for anything for years and will be severely limited in endorsements due to location?

He made it known ahead of time that he would be willing to spend more time in Spain if certain conditions werent met. Now people are surprised that he is following through with that?

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #43 on: June 27, 2009, 10:28:22 AM »

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If I were Minny I'd be happy if Rubio waits a couple of years to come. That means that when they actually become competitive, they'll still have Rubio at the rookie scale contract (if they become competitive).

I agree with BudweiserCeltic (although not in his taste in beer) and I am suprised more people aren't getting this:

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On No. 1 draft choice Ricky Rubio, Kahn said the Wolves will give the point guard whatever time and space he needs to work out his contract buyout issue with his Spanish team.

"If it means that we have to wait a year, we'll wait a year," Kahn said. "If it means two years, two years. He's 18."

Rubio did not attend today's afternoon press conference at which the Wolves introduced their other two first-round picks: guards Jonny Flynn of Syracuse and Wayne Ellington of North Carolina.
-St Paul Pioneer Press
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The kid is 18 years old and not ready to play in the NBA muy probable.  If he stays in europe, he will get older and better on someone else's nickel, and then when he does come back to the NBA, they still have control for several years only he may actually be a regular player by then.  'Sota is going to be marginal next year whether Rubio is at the end of the bench or not.  And how do you think Ricky is going to react when they send him to North Dakota (or where ever the Wolves D-League team is) to play.  I think the Wolves are playing this just fine.  I don't think they are going to trade him.  They are just going to wait and I expect his value will only go up (but his salary will not).  In two years say, they will get a 20 year old rookie under contract for 3-5 years and at a salary of a #5 pick from 2009.  That is a pretty good deal.  Much better than wasting the first 2 years of control and $$ while he sits on the bench and right about the time he actually figures it out, you have to start taking new contract.

Re: Rubio may stay in Spain according to his father
« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2009, 11:04:29 AM »

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If I were Minny I'd be happy if Rubio waits a couple of years to come. That means that when they actually become competitive, they'll still have Rubio at the rookie scale contract (if they become competitive).

I agree with BudweiserCeltic (although not in his taste in beer) and I am suprised more people aren't getting this:

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On No. 1 draft choice Ricky Rubio, Kahn said the Wolves will give the point guard whatever time and space he needs to work out his contract buyout issue with his Spanish team.

"If it means that we have to wait a year, we'll wait a year," Kahn said. "If it means two years, two years. He's 18."

Rubio did not attend today's afternoon press conference at which the Wolves introduced their other two first-round picks: guards Jonny Flynn of Syracuse and Wayne Ellington of North Carolina.
-St Paul Pioneer Press
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The kid is 18 years old and not ready to play in the NBA muy probable.  If he stays in europe, he will get older and better on someone else's nickel, and then when he does come back to the NBA, they still have control for several years only he may actually be a regular player by then.  'Sota is going to be marginal next year whether Rubio is at the end of the bench or not.  And how do you think Ricky is going to react when they send him to North Dakota (or where ever the Wolves D-League team is) to play.  I think the Wolves are playing this just fine.  I don't think they are going to trade him.  They are just going to wait and I expect his value will only go up (but his salary will not).  In two years say, they will get a 20 year old rookie under contract for 3-5 years and at a salary of a #5 pick from 2009.  That is a pretty good deal.  Much better than wasting the first 2 years of control and $$ while he sits on the bench and right about the time he actually figures it out, you have to start taking new contract.

that plan -  waiting one or two years - only works if Rubio is going back to Spain purely for financial reasons.

the reports are that he actually wants to play in the NBA this season, just not for Minnesota.

If that's the case, then IMO playing hardball will not work. especially since they traded away players to get the pick to draft him.

an extended dispute with a high profile player with a no-nonsense agent is only going to go from bad to worse.

so IMO it depends on what Rubio is really wanting to do. If it's about the buyout, then Minnesota could definitely wait a year or two. If it's about not wanting to play for them, then they're going to have to trade him...