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Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« on: June 26, 2009, 02:41:45 AM »

Offline beantownboy171

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The draft is over, Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen aren't traded, and Lester Hudson is now a Boston Celtic.

So.... What now?

The c's have alot to accomplish in free agency, we HAVE to get a back wing for pierce, our only back point guards are Gabe Pruitt and Lester Hudson, and until BBD and Powe are resigned, our only back-up big man on the roster is Brian Scalibrine.

So lets cover some of the posibilities.

Big Men

Glen Davis: How much do you think he is worth, and do you think there is actually a market for him out side the c's. The more i think about it, the more I really doubt it. Who is willing to pay 5-6 million dollars on a back up big man. I don't think we should go any higher the 3-4 million a year for Glen, especially if Powe is willing to take less.

Leon Powe: Oh boy was it a shame this guy got hurt at the end of last season. It really did seem like he was really coming into his own, even putting up a few 20-point games. I think he's looking for something much more short term. Maybe 2 years 4 million. But the question we need to ask ourselves, is, Is this guy going to be too injury prone to be our first back at Power Forward? and how serious was his injury. I honestly expect him back, again who else is in the market for an injury prone back power forward.

Mikki Moore: I don't know what to right, i'm sure very few of you want him back and i'm not going to disagree. He was a very big dissapointment. However, i don't think he'd be a terrible 4th option, and he is a seven-footer. Kendrick Perkins has a bad shoulder and it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep moore on as a backup to perkins back-up. Also Moore could be had pretty easily.

Antonio Mcdyess: This seems to be everyones favorite choice. I don't think his first choice is Boston, and I do think it would take close to, if not all of the MLE to get him here. This guy is a great fit, in my eyes it all comes down to where he wants to play.

Marcin Gortat: Gortat is a restricted free-agent, and Orlando can match any offer we give to him. However, with the addition of Vince Carter, and Hedo being a free agent as well, there might not be enough money to go around to Gortat. To me, he is an even better fit then Mcdyess, he's younger, and bigger then Mcdyess, he looked great in the playoffs, and he is the one I want. I just don't think he's likely to be the guy.

Rasheed Wallace: Is he done? Thats up to speculation. Again Wallace has said he'll retire if he can't get 8 million, any way you slice it we can't offer that much. So if you believe him, he's already off the list. I don't, however that means, he will definitly not be signing for less than full MLE. He's a good friend of Kevin Garnett, and if effort is an issue for wallace, I think Garnett will be the ideal person to motivate him. Both San Antonio and Cleveland also have interest in him. Cleveland though may have just taken them out of the running by trading for shaq, it would be alot of money to have invested in having both Rashed and Zydrunas on the bench. San Antonio however is a very good fit, and i think thats where Rasheed will end up.

Zaza Pachulia: Will he come here for the MLE, that I don't know. However, like Gortat though he is young and could be a backup for Perkins for a long time. Who else is going to pay Pachulia more then MLE. We'll have to wait and see, but again a good fit, that might be out of our price range.

Joe Smith: He's been coveted on this site for a long time, he's a guy who could be had for less than the MLE. If one of the other FA bigs went to Cleveland he'd be a good option. However I believe he's going back to Cleveland.

Small Forward

Grant Hill: Best options, he's the guy everyone on this site has been talking since the offseason has began. I don't see him wanting to go back to Pheonix since they have recently began a fire sale of all their big men. But he likes it there, so we never know. Perfect option for the LLE or vet min.

Dahntay Jones: Theres already a rumor started from Stephen A. Smith that this is the man the celtics are targeting. He's been on this team and cut before. He is a good defenseman and could probably be had for vet min. However does he hold a grudge against the c's for cutting him the year before we won a championship. Honestly I don't think it matters.

Quinton Ross: I think this guy is a perfect replacement if Tony Allen is traded. He is said to be James Posey without a 3-point shot. Meaning he's a good defenseman, and has a better head on his shoulder then Tony Allen. But I'm not sure he's good enough to be the first wing off the bench. A great vet min. candidate though.

Other affordable back-ups: Josh Childress, Hakim Warrick, Joey Graham

Pipe-dream players (will they take MLE): Ben Gordon, Ron Artest, Shawn Marion

Point Guard

Stephon Marbury: I want this guy back, i think we only saw half of the potential he brings to our bench. We saw glimpses of it in the playoffs where he was a spark, and even took over the game in a few seperate, short bursts. If we can sign him without using any of the MLE or LLE money, which I think we can do at around 2 million a year, then I think its a no-brainer.

Gabe Pruitt: Is he ready to be the back-up Point Guard? I doubt he'll even be here for the start of the season. He's the only guy on the team with a partially guaranteed contract, which as we see in recent trades, has great trade value.

Back-up Options: Raymond Felton (restricted), Andre Miller, Mike Bibby, Jarrett Jack (restricted), Ramon Sessions (restricted)

Analysis: I don't think we have as many options as i've listed. I think to Danny he has a few Free agent's in mind, and he just won't be willing to go deep into the luxury tax for people outside his mental list.

Trades

What do we have for value?

Im going to do this with the mindset that Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo are staying. We've exhausted trade ideas for them and until we start hearing more rumors i'm going to assume Danny Ainge is moving past it.

Tony Allen- 2.5 million coming off the books next year
Brian Scalibrine- 3.2 million coming off the books next year
Eddie House- 2.65 Million expiring if he picks up his option
Gabe Pruitt- His contract isn't guaranted, meaning the team that trades for him can cut him and save even more money, making his contract most valuable.

Giddens and Walker: I think Danny values him alot more than what they are worth in the trade market, so I would be very surprised to see either of them moved.

Targets:

Andres Noccioni: He's got a hefty contract, and the celtics have already shown interest in acquiring him at the last trading deadline. However I'm not sure the Kings are looking to just give him away.

Pheonix Suns Players:

Leandro Barbosa: His contract is already expiring (i think on a player option), the only incentive the Suns would have in trading him would be to save money this season as well. The most financial effective deal for them would be a, Scalibrine, Walker, Giddens, and Pruitt for Barbosa swap. Which would save them roughly 2 million in the upcoming season assuming they cut Pruitt.

Steve Nash: Are the suns really looking to compete next year? And I said I wouldn't do it, I said I wouldn't do it, but what about a Ray Allen, Scal and Pruitt deal for Barbosa and Nash? Hmm.. yah lets just move on.

Jason Richardson: Probably the worst contract left on the suns book, but I just don't see a fit here with the celtics, worth looking into though.

Travis Outlaw: It would be simple, a scal for outlaw swap. However the Blazers are looking for substance, and it may take more than just expiring deals. They would probably take a while for them to settle on a deal like this, and it might be to long to wait for a back up wing that is desperatly needed.

The Other Option

At the end of the day, the best option, mind just be to hold on to Tony and Scal until the trading deadline. We would have more options then, and fewer competitors who think they have a shot at contending.

I want your dream scenario, try to keep it simple and realistic, whats the most important hole that needs to be filled, whats not as important, and who are you ideal free agent signings.

What should Danny do?

Here is what I can come up with:

Sign Grant Hill to LLE
Sign Marcin Gortat to full MLE/5 years

Resign:
Starbury: 1 year 2 million
Glen Davis: 4 year 14 million
Leon Powe: 2 year 4 million
Mikki Moore:vet min.

Trade TA, House, and Pruitt for Barbosa (not sure if contracts work)

Rondo/Marbury/Hudson
Allen/Barbosa/Giddens
Pierce/Hill/Walker
Garnett/BBD/Powe
Perkins/Gortat/Moore

I know, i know, i said realistic. But I just can't help myself. This would make are bench very good, and are weakest point probably at point guard.





Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 08:44:33 AM »

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Rondo/Marbury/Hudson
Allen/Barbosa/Giddens
Pierce/Hill/Walker
Garnett/BBD/Powe
Perkins/Gortat/Moore

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Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 08:54:32 AM »

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Rajon/Marbury/Hudson
Ray/E$/Walker
PP/Hill/Walker
KG/Dice or ZaZa/Powe
Perk/Dice

Please no more Moore

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2009, 09:11:07 AM »

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give me:

rondo, marbury, hudson
ray, eddie hudson
PP, free agent wing, bill walker
KG,free agent PF (sheed), baby
Perk, free agent center

unload giddens, tony allen, scal in a trade for a wing or a big...release moore and pruitt..

i hope danny and doc don't think that giddens and walker can be counted on to be in the mix as primary bench guys. I just don't see it out of them


Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 09:11:45 AM »

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I like Hill and Dice, though if Dice demands too much, I could live with the Birdman or Joe Smith.  

I'm not attached to the idea of keeping Baby.  I don't think he's ever going to be more than a good bench player in the league, so I'm not worried about losing him long term.  As for the short term, if they bring in a big man and re-sign Powe, they should be fine for the playoffs at the 4/5.  For now, Scal can backup the PF spot until Powe gets back.  

As for Marbury, I wouldn't mind him back.  But at this point, for me, the PG position is not the priority it once was.  Rondo is young, athletic, and looking to have a break out year.  He's probably going to be playing 35-40 mpg all season.  Who we have backing him up for a whopping 10 minutes a game isn't terribly important.  I'm OK with House doing it, especially if Hill is brought on who can handle the ball.  But whether we have Marbury or House, if Rondo goes down, we're done anyway, so I don't think Stephon makes all that much of a difference.  

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2009, 09:41:45 AM »

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I think ideally I would like to see...

Rondo - Marbury - Hudson
Allen - House/Hudson/TA
Pierce - Hill/Marion (Preferrably Hill)
Garnett - Baby - Scal
Sheed/Perk - Perk/Sheed - Powe

I would love to see that lineup.  With that being said, I'm not sure the whole Sheed situation would work out.  If it didn't, I loved what I saw with Gortat last year, and the kid seems to be drooling for playing time.  Decent offense, good athletisism, well above average defense, and a GREAT basketball mind.  That would be my second choice.

McDyss makes me nervous.  You can see that he's getting older by the second.  Defense is an afterthought on his old legs, and the best I see coming out of his offense is that little corner jumper (We don't need it, all our big men can hit it).  I would rather see Gortat here any day.

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2009, 09:54:56 AM »

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The idea of Joe Smith also does nothing for me.  Veterans like that become hugely overrated when you're talking about a team that is already a contender.  We have veterans all over the roster, and the reason Brown helped was his amazing defense and hitting one HUGE playoff shot.  I don't see Smith playing that kind of defense, and look at our Miki Moore Experiment.  I would rather see Gortat or Sheed, or even Birdman running around out there instead. 

No more old, immobile vets just because they're vets.

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2009, 10:13:01 AM »

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Here's what I want (and is realistic, I'd like  Marion but it's not happening)

5- Perk/Sheed/
4- KG/BBD/Powe
3- Pierce/Nocionni/Walker
2- Allen/Jones/Giddens
1- Rondo/House/Marbury/Hudson

Although I  don't believe they move TA, Scal and Pruitt until after they have looked around in free agency and decided how many guys they can sign  with what  they have.
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Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2009, 10:19:05 AM »

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i think mcdyess stays in detroit...he more about comfort than championships...i think scal and tony stay because they have contracts that can be dealt at the trade deadline

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2009, 11:04:56 AM »

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"i think mcdyess stays in detroit...he more about comfort than championships...i think scal and tony stay because they have contracts that can be dealt at the trade deadline"

All good points.  I also just don't think Dice adds enough to us.  His only true benefit is his corner jumper, and our big men are actually decent at that (KG, BBD).  I want to see Gortat/Sheed here, especially Sheed.

In terms of Marion, I think you're right.  I like Hill a lot more than Nocioni though.  Nocioni is a similar player, a little more athletic, but Hill is smarter.  Also, I remember Nocioni complaining in Chicago when his touches started to go down, and that's when he lost minutes and was shipped out.  I don't see that many touches for a guy backing up Ray and PP on a team with Rondo, KG, and imagine adding a Sheed?  I'm not sure they would even let him look at the ball haha. 

Hill knows his role at this point in his career, is a SMART player, and wants to win badly.  He would do what it takes and we would get to sit back and enjoy it.  Period.

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2009, 11:07:26 AM »

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From the Globe and Marc Spears FYI

An NBA source said the Celtics will keep an eye on such free agents as Detroit forward-center Rasheed Wallace, Phoenix forward Grant Hill, and Toronto swingman Anthony Parker. Denver center Chris Andersen (likely to re-sign), Detroit forward Antonio McDyess (likely to re-sign), Denver forward Linas Kleiza, Detroit forward Francisco Oberto (expected to be bought out), and Milwaukee forward Bruce Bowen (expected to be bought out) are also considerations.

CB Draft LA Lakers: Lamarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony,Jrue Holiday, Wes Matthews  6.11, 7.16, 8.14, 8.15, 9.16, 11.5, 11.16

Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2009, 11:13:54 AM »

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"i think mcdyess stays in detroit...he more about comfort than championships...i think scal and tony stay because they have contracts that can be dealt at the trade deadline"

All good points.  I also just don't think Dice adds enough to us.  His only true benefit is his corner jumper, and our big men are actually decent at that (KG, BBD).  I want to see Gortat/Sheed here, especially Sheed.

In terms of Marion, I think you're right.  I like Hill a lot more than Nocioni though.  Nocioni is a similar player, a little more athletic, but Hill is smarter.  Also, I remember Nocioni complaining in Chicago when his touches started to go down, and that's when he lost minutes and was shipped out.  I don't see that many touches for a guy backing up Ray and PP on a team with Rondo, KG, and imagine adding a Sheed?  I'm not sure they would even let him look at the ball haha. 

Hill knows his role at this point in his career, is a SMART player, and wants to win badly.  He would do what it takes and we would get to sit back and enjoy it.  Period.
Everyone on a losing team complains about there touches going down. Winning will cure that.
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Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2009, 11:22:14 AM »

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I am still skeptical that the owners will be opening the purse strings much.

I could see:
(1) resign BBD to $3M/yr
(2) sign a backup C for vet min (not clear who is available for this price -- Rasho Nesterovic?)
(3) trade TA + Scal for a backup wing (Nocioni?)
(4) sign a backup PG for vet min (Marbury?)
(5) sign Powe to a relatively cheap contract (b/c of the injury situation).

Financially, the Cs would be spending an additional $6M than they already are.
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Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2009, 11:35:40 AM »

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I am still skeptical that the owners will be opening the purse strings much.

I could see:
(1) resign BBD to $3M/yr
(2) sign a backup C for vet min (not clear who is available for this price -- Rasho Nesterovic?)
(3) trade TA + Scal for a backup wing (Nocioni?)
(4) sign a backup PG for vet min (Marbury?)
(5) sign Powe to a relatively cheap contract (b/c of the injury situation).

Financially, the Cs would be spending an additional $6M than they already are.
I will be unhappy if the C's don't spend the MLE, and only get Nesterovic as a back up big.
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Re: Alright the draft is over..... now what?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 11:42:02 PM »

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I hope no one minds revisiting an old topic, but what do you all think is realistic now?

Stephen Jackson, Barbosa, Nocioni possibly through trades? Take on Posey's long contract?


I see maybe:

Rondo/Lue
R. Allen/House/T. Allen
Pierce/?
KG/Sheed/BBD
Perk/Sheed/(free agent center-- no idea!)

Who will be the SF and also a person who can chase SGs around?