Perk is untouchable

[SamuelAdams]

I love Perk but maybe that shoulder is a bit worse then we know?

[PosImpos]

I love Perk but maybe that shoulder is a bit worse then we know?

That would be the one legit reason to consider trading Perk, if the management is worried about future injuries based on inside information.

[Drucci]

It would be stupid to trade Perk for the second pick. Perk has shown how important he is for this team and he will keep his improvement over the next years. He is our anchor on defense, maybe more than KG, we saw it when Perkins missed one game in the Finals last year and the duo of Gasol and Odom was having fun in the paint, and we saw it when Perk missed a few games this season after Christmas, when the team was on a losing streak.

I like the fact that Danny is trying to acquire one of the top 5 picks but please do not trade any starting player or you can say goodbye to the title next year... you can't replace one of the Big Three or Rondo or Perkins by a rookie who might be a bust.

[Jon]

To trade Perk at this point in the game is absolutely insane.  Unless the C's were going to land Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or Yao Ming, anyone else is going to be a downgrade for this team.  Might some in the draft be better than him in 3 years?  Maybe.  But how's that going to help a team relying on 3 aging superstars?  It isn't.

For years we used to talk about a Shaq-stopper.  Well it seems we've now stumbled across a Dwight Howard-stopper.  We don't need to be giving that away. 

[rondohondo]

To trade Perk at this point in the game is absolutely insane.  Unless the C's were going to land Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or Yao Ming, anyone else is going to be a downgrade for this team.  Might some in the draft be better than him in 3 years?  Maybe.  But how's that going to help a team relying on 3 aging superstars?  It isn't.

For years we used to talk about a Shaq-stopper.  Well it seems we've now stumbled across a Dwight Howard-stopper.  We don't need to be giving that away. 

You don't necessarily have to get an All Star big man back. Say we traded Perk Scal and TA for Josh Smith .

We could then sign and trade BBD + Walker or Giddens for Someone like Jeff Foster or Joe Pryzbilla


PG: Rondo    /  Marbury
SG: Ray      /  House
SF: PP       / Josh Smith
PF: KG       / Mcdyess
 C: Pryzbilla / ZaZa? Gortat?

As much as I love Perk I think those moves would make us a stronger team. Josh Smith running with Rondo would be awesome. Smith would also give PP and KG some much needed rest throughout the season so they will be fresh for the playoffs.

[CoachBo]

To trade Perk at this point in the game is absolutely insane.  Unless the C's were going to land Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or Yao Ming, anyone else is going to be a downgrade for this team.  Might some in the draft be better than him in 3 years?  Maybe.  But how's that going to help a team relying on 3 aging superstars?  It isn't.

For years we used to talk about a Shaq-stopper.  Well it seems we've now stumbled across a Dwight Howard-stopper.  We don't need to be giving that away. 

Agreed. Perkins, despite his shoulder issues, is FINALLY one of Ainge's kids worth all the hyperbole this board spins out: Outstanding defender, offensive game coming around, mental game developing - all the things people claim Rondo is, but really isn't.

Ainge has lost his mind if he moves Perkins, especially if he tries to replace him with a matador like Stoudamire. As for Perk's shoulder, anyone want to swap that for Amare's eye and knee issues, let alone his career-long refusal to defend?

[Fafnir]

To trade Perk at this point in the game is absolutely insane.  Unless the C's were going to land Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or Yao Ming, anyone else is going to be a downgrade for this team.  Might some in the draft be better than him in 3 years?  Maybe.  But how's that going to help a team relying on 3 aging superstars?  It isn't.

For years we used to talk about a Shaq-stopper.  Well it seems we've now stumbled across a Dwight Howard-stopper.  We don't need to be giving that away. 

Agreed. Perkins, despite his shoulder issues, is FINALLY one of Ainge's kids worth all the hyperbole this board spins out: Outstanding defender, offensive game coming around, mental game developing - all the things people claim Rondo is, but really isn't.

Ainge has lost his mind if he moves Perkins, especially if he tries to replace him with a matador like Stoudamire. As for Perk's shoulder, anyone want to swap that for Amare's eye and knee issues, let alone his career-long refusal to defend?

So you wouldn't trade Perkins, plus requiste random parts, for Amar'e?

[Fafnir]

Perk is not untouchable. He is a great low post defender and solid all around center. But he's still a role player with limited offensive game. His chronic shoulder issues also muddy the waters.

No one is untouchable, especially not a role player.

I don't think you give him enough credit calling him a role player.

His role is definitely mostly as a defensive center, but he can also get offensive rebounds and his offensive game is growing, he could easily grow into a 15-16 PER double double averaging guy if not better than that.  He already averages 8 pts 8 rebounds and 2 blocks which is great for a guy as young as he is.  He's probably about as good as he's going to be defensively (and that's pretty [dang] good), and he probably will only get a bit better in terms of offense, but he's a physical guy who works hard and has a good attitude (even if he gets a lot of technicals), and he is capable of putting up a 15-20 point game. 

Also, the role he fills for our team is crucial especially when we are in the same conference as Dwight Howard.  We need a guy who can give an inside dominator like DH12 a hard time.

Sure, there are better guys we could get at his position, but not easily, and if we want to be good now as opposed to a few years from now (which seems to be our goal considering the age of our starters) then it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless we're getting back a dominate C who's already established himself.

Role player is not a pejorative term. Most players in the NBA are role players. With 30 teams there is only so much talent to go around. I love Perkins, I love his toughness, and I love that he learned to avoid most stupid fouls this year with KG out.

But he's not a talent you build a team around. That means he is definitely someone you can trade.

I would base the "tradeability" of someone on how crucial their role is to the team (whether you consider them a "roleplayer" or not), how replaceable they are, and what we could get in return for them.

I think that the role Perk fills for this team is crucial and not easily replaceable and that we can't get something in return for him that is worth giving him up. 

We'd have to be getting a player that could very likely be a franchise player or at least another center who could do what Perk does and more.  I don't see how either of those things are possible this off-season.

I have to ask, are any of our five starters replaceable in your mind then?

[CoachBo]

To trade Perk at this point in the game is absolutely insane.  Unless the C's were going to land Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or Yao Ming, anyone else is going to be a downgrade for this team.  Might some in the draft be better than him in 3 years?  Maybe.  But how's that going to help a team relying on 3 aging superstars?  It isn't.

For years we used to talk about a Shaq-stopper.  Well it seems we've now stumbled across a Dwight Howard-stopper.  We don't need to be giving that away. 

Agreed. Perkins, despite his shoulder issues, is FINALLY one of Ainge's kids worth all the hyperbole this board spins out: Outstanding defender, offensive game coming around, mental game developing - all the things people claim Rondo is, but really isn't.

Ainge has lost his mind if he moves Perkins, especially if he tries to replace him with a matador like Stoudamire. As for Perk's shoulder, anyone want to swap that for Amare's eye and knee issues, let alone his career-long refusal to defend?

So you wouldn't trade Perkins, plus requiste random parts, for Amar'e?

No. I have no interest in breaking up our starting 5 for a player who has never been willing to defend, and who has physical problems worse than anything we have on our club.

The picture of Amare's dedication to the game painted in Jack McCallum's "07 Seconds or Less" is pretty bleak, let alone the visual evidence of watching Phoenix play.

[BuckeyeCelt]

Dwight vs Celtics...

Dwight vs Cavs...

I think we need to keep perk around...

[Celtics17]

No player on this squad is untouchable! It's a business and if Danny thinks he can improve the team via a trade then he will probably do so. That being said, I sure hope if he trades any of the starting 5 that it does actually improve the team overall.

[CoachBo]

No argument here.

The scenarios laid out to defend this move, though, are fantasy basketball moves that don't improve this club at all.

[indeedproceed]

Ironically because of Perk's contract and obviously increasing skillset...yes. Perk is one of the more "untouchable" guys on our roster. Nobody is completely untouchable, however.

[bobdelt]

1. Nobody is untouchable.

2. Perk has a lingering shoulder injury... next post season we could be talking about "if only Perk was healthy"

3. We could get a much better player in return. A rookie signed to a long term deal is good value too

[Fafnir]

Ironically because of Perk's contract and obviously increasing skillset...yes. Perk is one of the more "untouchable" guys on our roster. Nobody is completely untouchable, however.

I'd argue because of his very reasonable contract he's probably the third most "valuable" rather than untouchable. His contract is a big part of why he's an attractive piece.

Perkins at 8+ million for 3+ years, probably not very inticing to a team. Perkins at 4 million for two more years on the other hand.....

You need a plan to bring in a big to take over for him, but if the right value is there you pull the trigger.