Perk is untouchable

[trueceltic]

Who would you guys put as untouchable? I know anyone can always be traded but these are the guys that we cannot trade.

KG - nuff said

Perkins - Only making 4 mil a year (best value in NBA. I was going through the centers in the NBA and who I would choose ahead of Perk. I hate his always smiling demeanor but I'd have to take Howard over Perk. Yao gets hurt too much. Shaq sucks. Jermaine O'Neal no. Bynum, please!
It's the way he plays. That no BS attitude and his huge chip on his shoulder that he carries around. If Howard just had Perk's attitude and toughness then he could be one of the best of alltime but he's such a pansy.

Eddie - He brings that enthusiasm and togetherness of that team. Even when he was never playing, he would still be the craziest on the bench. When they say chemistry is important, having Eddie House is a perfect example.



That's about it. I don't want to trade Rondo but I could see myself trading him in the right scenario. Allen the same and the same with Paul. However, I say we go another year with the core. Sign a wing off the bench and upgrade at backup point and most importantly a big with length that isn't a stiff like Mikki or OBryant.

Perk for #2 pick is ridiculous. If that's Thabeet then how do we improve. After losing to Michigan State, he was back in stands wearing shades. If Evans could shoot then I'd be interested but how does he fit. He's more of a combo than a point and we all know how rookies do in the playoffs. We need to win NOW Ainge. Come on don't screw this up!

[Truck Lewis]

i agree about Perk having a great contract and would hate to see him go


but about Eddie, that just crazy.  We could easily get more energy/chemistry off the bench.  dont get me wrong i love eddie, his shot and his kid, but a one trick pony (shooter) can be replaced. A top tier defender (perk) thats a different story

[lon3lytoaster]

Clearly he isn't untouchable, if Danny if offering him around.

[PosImpos]

I agree, we can't do better than Perk for value at the C position, and he's perfect for us, because he's a defensive minded center with a steadily growing offensive game who can defend against guys like Bynum / Gasol / Howard very well.

There isn't one center that I would expect us to go against in the playoffs who I wouldn't expect to have a hard time with Perkins in the paint.

Maybe he's not untouchable but it doesn't make much sense to trade him.  There aren't any really good options for centers in free agency this off season, so trading him for a prospect at another position wouldn't make much sense; trading him for a center prospect wouldn't make much sense, either, because that prospect wouldn't be better than him for at least another few years.

[Fafnir]

Perk is not untouchable. He is a great low post defender and solid all around center. But he's still a role player with limited offensive game. His chronic shoulder issues also muddy the waters.

No one is untouchable, especially not a role player.

[PosImpos]

Perk is not untouchable. He is a great low post defender and solid all around center. But he's still a role player with limited offensive game. His chronic shoulder issues also muddy the waters.

No one is untouchable, especially not a role player.

I don't think you give him enough credit calling him a role player.

His role is definitely mostly as a defensive center, but he can also get offensive rebounds and his offensive game is growing, he could easily grow into a 15-16 PER double double averaging guy if not better than that.  He already averages 8 pts 8 rebounds and 2 blocks which is great for a guy as young as he is.  He's probably about as good as he's going to be defensively (and that's pretty [dang] good), and he probably will only get a bit better in terms of offense, but he's a physical guy who works hard and has a good attitude (even if he gets a lot of technicals), and he is capable of putting up a 15-20 point game. 

Also, the role he fills for our team is crucial especially when we are in the same conference as Dwight Howard.  We need a guy who can give an inside dominator like DH12 a hard time.

Sure, there are better guys we could get at his position, but not easily, and if we want to be good now as opposed to a few years from now (which seems to be our goal considering the age of our starters) then it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless we're getting back a dominate C who's already established himself.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The thing with Ainge is he's always looking to deal... and gauge the value of his assets. So, the rumor could be nothing... but, Perk is not untouchable.

But, I think I can see trading Perk if we were getting a Stoudamire like player in some scenario. I realize they are not the same type of player, but I can see how this would make some sense.

We trade Perk for the Number 2 and then package that and Ray Allen for Amare.... or something similar. Almost makes sense. But, with that said, I love Perk... I'm just worried about his shoulder in the long term.

[guava_wrench]

The only reason Perk is "perfect" for us is that we are playing to our strengths. If there is a different player in his place, obviously there would be some adjustments in our system.

Don't forget that Posey was often closing big games for us instead of Perk 2 years ago. I am a big Perk fan, but it is important to step back from being a rooting fan when talking about trades.

[dpaps]

One guess as to why Ainge might consider trading Perkins now is that is value may also be at an all time high (like Ray and maybe Rondo). Perkins is a great defensive center and a very good starting center in the NBA and hes due only about 9 mil over the next two seasons combined. We all know why so many teams would want him.  I bet Ainge is looking 2 years down the road and he knows Perkins is going to want a huge raise. If Perkins continues to progress as he has, in two years he'll want a near max contract. Maybe Ainge doesn't want to invest that much money on a limited offensive player. Ainge knows someone will pay Perkins $10-14 million, but he doesn't want it to be the Celtics. If that is the case, maybe Ainge figures he might as well trade Perkins now while his value is so high.

[PosImpos]

In reference to Thabeet as a future All-Star prospect (brighter future than Perk):

From DraftExpress:
"Considering how obvious his presence is on the court, you have to think that if his coaching staff and teammates saw him as a viable offensive option, he would have received far more touches this past season than he actually did—since obviously everyone involved was looking to win as many games as possible. Subjectively speaking, it wasn’t rare to see Thabeet become very passive on the court and only half-heartedly look for the ball. On top of that, his passing rate was very poor, the lowest in this group, and many potential possessions never even materialized due to his inability to make clean catches, leading to turnovers for others. It’s not a stretch to say that his teammates did not have enough confidence in his offensive skill-level to get him the ball in the half-court.

Players drafted a high as Thabeet are usually expected to offer more than that offensively. At this juncture, Thabeet is still very early in his offensive development. He could continue along his current path, using his post possessions to slowly improve his usage rate, or he could continue to rely on his teammates and remain an efficient, but underdeveloped role-player "

Sounds to me like Thabeet is probably going to be at least as offensively limited as Perk in the near future, if not much worse.  I'd say trading Perk to get Thabeet is not worth it at all.  Our team already severely lacks a low post offensive presence when KG isn't playing, and it sounds like picking up Thabeet would exacerbate that probably to a significant degree.

So if we're trading Perk, we should definitely get somebody other than Thabeet.

[The Incredible Hulk]

We aren't taking anyone in the draft with a Top 5 pick, a trade for a pick would be only to move it somewhere else.

We are in extreme "win now" mode.

[jdpapa3]

Perk is one of my favorites on the team.

You only trade him to directly or indirectly get a franchise player.

[Fafnir]

In reference to Thabeet as a future All-Star prospect (brighter future than Perk):

From DraftExpress:
"Considering how obvious his presence is on the court, you have to think that if his coaching staff and teammates saw him as a viable offensive option, he would have received far more touches this past season than he actually did—since obviously everyone involved was looking to win as many games as possible. Subjectively speaking, it wasn’t rare to see Thabeet become very passive on the court and only half-heartedly look for the ball. On top of that, his passing rate was very poor, the lowest in this group, and many potential possessions never even materialized due to his inability to make clean catches, leading to turnovers for others. It’s not a stretch to say that his teammates did not have enough confidence in his offensive skill-level to get him the ball in the half-court.

Players drafted a high as Thabeet are usually expected to offer more than that offensively. At this juncture, Thabeet is still very early in his offensive development. He could continue along his current path, using his post possessions to slowly improve his usage rate, or he could continue to rely on his teammates and remain an efficient, but underdeveloped role-player "

Sounds to me like Thabeet is probably going to be at least as offensively limited as Perk in the near future, if not much worse.  I'd say trading Perk to get Thabeet is not worth it at all.  Our team already severely lacks a low post offensive presence when KG isn't playing, and it sounds like picking up Thabeet would exacerbate that probably to a significant degree.

So if we're trading Perk, we should definitely get somebody other than Thabeet.

Have you sent Danny that link? I'm sure he could use the information. Remember we don't even know who he'd want with the 2nd pick. Thabeet is just one option.

[Fafnir]

Perk is not untouchable. He is a great low post defender and solid all around center. But he's still a role player with limited offensive game. His chronic shoulder issues also muddy the waters.

No one is untouchable, especially not a role player.

I don't think you give him enough credit calling him a role player.

His role is definitely mostly as a defensive center, but he can also get offensive rebounds and his offensive game is growing, he could easily grow into a 15-16 PER double double averaging guy if not better than that.  He already averages 8 pts 8 rebounds and 2 blocks which is great for a guy as young as he is.  He's probably about as good as he's going to be defensively (and that's pretty [dang] good), and he probably will only get a bit better in terms of offense, but he's a physical guy who works hard and has a good attitude (even if he gets a lot of technicals), and he is capable of putting up a 15-20 point game. 

Also, the role he fills for our team is crucial especially when we are in the same conference as Dwight Howard.  We need a guy who can give an inside dominator like DH12 a hard time.

Sure, there are better guys we could get at his position, but not easily, and if we want to be good now as opposed to a few years from now (which seems to be our goal considering the age of our starters) then it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless we're getting back a dominate C who's already established himself.

Role player is not a pejorative term. Most players in the NBA are role players. With 30 teams there is only so much talent to go around. I love Perkins, I love his toughness, and I love that he learned to avoid most stupid fouls this year with KG out.

But he's not a talent you build a team around. That means he is definitely someone you can trade.

[PosImpos]

Perk is not untouchable. He is a great low post defender and solid all around center. But he's still a role player with limited offensive game. His chronic shoulder issues also muddy the waters.

No one is untouchable, especially not a role player.

I don't think you give him enough credit calling him a role player.

His role is definitely mostly as a defensive center, but he can also get offensive rebounds and his offensive game is growing, he could easily grow into a 15-16 PER double double averaging guy if not better than that.  He already averages 8 pts 8 rebounds and 2 blocks which is great for a guy as young as he is.  He's probably about as good as he's going to be defensively (and that's pretty [dang] good), and he probably will only get a bit better in terms of offense, but he's a physical guy who works hard and has a good attitude (even if he gets a lot of technicals), and he is capable of putting up a 15-20 point game. 

Also, the role he fills for our team is crucial especially when we are in the same conference as Dwight Howard.  We need a guy who can give an inside dominator like DH12 a hard time.

Sure, there are better guys we could get at his position, but not easily, and if we want to be good now as opposed to a few years from now (which seems to be our goal considering the age of our starters) then it doesn't make much sense to trade him unless we're getting back a dominate C who's already established himself.

Role player is not a pejorative term. Most players in the NBA are role players. With 30 teams there is only so much talent to go around. I love Perkins, I love his toughness, and I love that he learned to avoid most stupid fouls this year with KG out.

But he's not a talent you build a team around. That means he is definitely someone you can trade.

I would base the "tradeability" of someone on how crucial their role is to the team (whether you consider them a "roleplayer" or not), how replaceable they are, and what we could get in return for them.

I think that the role Perk fills for this team is crucial and not easily replaceable and that we can't get something in return for him that is worth giving him up. 

We'd have to be getting a player that could very likely be a franchise player or at least another center who could do what Perk does and more.  I don't see how either of those things are possible this off-season.