three way- BOS,MEM,WASH (idea)

[winsomme]

just throwing it out there:

BOS gives up:
Ray
Rondo
JR Giddens
future #1

MEM gives up:
Gay
#2
Jaric
Darko

Wash gives up:
#5
Andray Blatche
Mike James
Songaila
Etan Thomas

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Boston gets:
Gay
#2
Blatche
Jaric
Mike James

MEM gets:
Rondo
#5
Songaila
Thomas

WASH gets:
Ray
JR Gid
Darko
Scals
future #1

BOS does it to get #2 pick (Rubio/Harden - whoever is deemed better), get young All-Star caliber wing in Gay, backup PG, wing and PF/C (James, Jaric, Blatche)

MEM does it to get Rondo + #5 pick (Hill, Evans, DeRozan) and a couple of solid role players (Songaila, Thomas)

WASH does it to get Ray Allen. replace Sogaila with Scals and Thomas with Darko. Also get some future talent in JR and a pick.

BOS roster:

Rubio/Mike James
Paul/Jaric/Eddie
Gay/Walker
KG/Blatche/Powe
Perk/Dice?

[KungPoweChicken]

This seems like a pretty fair trade for all teams involved, which of course, ultimately depends on Washington's interest in Ray. Nice work. I like it for the C's.

[winsomme]

This seems like a pretty fair trade for all teams involved, which of course, ultimately depends on Washington's interest in Ray. Nice work. I like it for the C's.

thanks.

yeah, WASH would have to see Ray as a key piece to them being a contender next year in order to move the #5 pick for him.

the other thing to think about is where you are sending Ray. It seems like you're gonna have to send him to a team that also is looking to contend for it to be a smooth deal. Certainly, Ray's first choice is by far staying in BOS (and mine too, by the way), but i think there could be some intrigue for him joining Gilbert and Co. - a solid core of talented vets that could quickly turn things around.

sending Ray to some of the other mentioned destinations (MEM, GS, SAC, etc) just doesn't seem like it would work - for either side.

the other big question in this trade would be Rudy Gay. personally, i really like him. he's long, strong, athletic and has a nice stroke. I think he would be a great fit in our motion offense. He'd have a lot of work to do to pick up his defense, but he certainly would be pumped coming in to a team with KG and Paul....

not saying i want this deal or anything, but I thought it was interesting to think about..

[PJ Martinez]

The Celtics would need to sign a veteran point guard with the MLE. You don't begin a run at the title with a 19-year-old who's never played in the US running the point, however good he might some day be.

[winsomme]

The Celtics would need to sign a veteran point guard with the MLE. You don't begin a run at the title with a 19-year-old who's never played in the US running the point, however good he might some day be.

true. but i think whomever they sign, Rubio would be the starting PG by the end of the season. If he's as good as some are saying, anyway.

plus, in this trade scenario we'd have Mike James. not ideal, but i don't think we'd be losing games because of him.

it's a big boat-rocker to trade Ray and Rondo. I don't really like the idea of dealing both (either actually). but if we did, I'd like to get guys in who could theoretically fill those spots.

and Gay and Rubio IMO have to potential to do that.

[BballTim]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

[Quinn]

why does everyone want to risk our PROVEN PG for a top-notch talent in the European league.
many players just can't play on the nba level, how do we know rubio's not one of them.
Believe me, if Rondo WANTS to leave, then i'm game for this, but I can't imagine WHY he would want to leave; he and KG (not to mention the whole team) have incredible chemistry on court, and from what i've seen he gets along fairly well with everyone.

[winsomme]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

I think the big question would be how much the drop off would be at PG. Rubio is a question mark for sure. but it's possible that  he's actually as good as the hype. plus, he's been playing with grown men for a while now. he could step in and be good.

as for Paul, he's guarded Kobe pretty well and there's not really a more difficult guard at SG than him. plus he would destroy most SG on the offensive end (either shoot over or post up). match ups that would happen with the 6'9" Gay at SF....

[BballTim]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

I think the big question would be how much the drop off would be at PG. Rubio is a question mark for sure. but it's possible that  he's actually as good as the hype. plus, he's been playing with grown men for a while now. he could step in and be good.

as for Paul, he's guarded Kobe pretty well and there's not really a more difficult guard at SG than him. plus he would destroy most SG on the offensive end (either shoot over or post up). match ups that would happen with the 6'9" Gay at SF....

  Paul guarded Kobe for short stints 2 years ago. I wouldn't want to count on him playing there for an entire season. And how likely do you think it is that Rubio lives up to all the hype in his rookie season? 10%?

[ToppersBsktball10]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

Then he works his ass off I guess

[BballTim]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

Then he works his ass off I guess

  Ok, I'll rephrase. Paul instead of Ray at sg is no better than a wash and probably a slight dropoff. Gay for Paul at sf is a dropoff. Rubio for Rondo at pg will more than likely be a big dropoff. If Rubio develops into a top pg you're better in the long run with Rubio and Gay than you are with Rondo, but you're likely quite a bit worse in the short term (a.k.a. the rest of KG and Paul's prime years). We're likely lessening our title hopes in the near term to improve our team in the long term, but I don't think you can build a title contending team around Rubio and Gay.

[beantownboy171]

Don't you guys think we could get more from memphis in this deal?

Their getting a great young pg, get rid of the jaric contract for expiring deals, and only drop 3 spots in the draft, for their number 2 and rudy gay?

[winsomme]

Don't you guys think we could get more from memphis in this deal?

Their getting a great young pg, get rid of the jaric contract for expiring deals, and only drop 3 spots in the draft, for their number 2 and rudy gay?

you thinking Warrick or Conley....

[winsomme]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

Then he works his ass off I guess

  Ok, I'll rephrase. Paul instead of Ray at sg is no better than a wash and probably a slight dropoff. Gay for Paul at sf is a dropoff. Rubio for Rondo at pg will more than likely be a big dropoff. If Rubio develops into a top pg you're better in the long run with Rubio and Gay than you are with Rondo, but you're likely quite a bit worse in the short term (a.k.a. the rest of KG and Paul's prime years). We're likely lessening our title hopes in the near term to improve our team in the long term, but I don't think you can build a title contending team around Rubio and Gay.

but what about the advantage Paul would have against opposing SGs? Don't you think he would be able to take advantage of those match ups?

[Fafnir]

  I don't think that Paul really has the speed to play the two. And there's a big dropoff at pg and on the defensive end. I think our current starters would easily handle that team.

Then he works his ass off I guess

  Ok, I'll rephrase. Paul instead of Ray at sg is no better than a wash and probably a slight dropoff. Gay for Paul at sf is a dropoff. Rubio for Rondo at pg will more than likely be a big dropoff. If Rubio develops into a top pg you're better in the long run with Rubio and Gay than you are with Rondo, but you're likely quite a bit worse in the short term (a.k.a. the rest of KG and Paul's prime years). We're likely lessening our title hopes in the near term to improve our team in the long term, but I don't think you can build a title contending team around Rubio and Gay.

but what about the advantage Paul would have against opposing SGs? Don't you think he would be able to take advantage of those match ups?

He could but over the course of the season I don't like having him running through screens trying to guard much quicker players all the time. Plus offensively he's much better working at the 3.