Kings trade idea?

[LarBrd33]

I don't know what I think of this idea, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

It seems that pretty much ever draft preview now has the Grizz taking Hasheem Thabeet... partially because Rubio's people don't want him anywhere near Memphis.

Meanwhile... I'm hearing that the Thunder don't really want Rubio either, because they already have Russell Westbrook as the point guard of the future.

In fact, if you check out nbadraft.net right now... they have Thabeet going #2 and James Harden going #3...

If the target is Rubio, should we be looking to make deals with the Kings?

Heres an idea, for example...

Boston sends:

Ray Allen:  19.7 mil expiring
Rondo:  2.6 mil

Kings send:
#4 pick (if Rubio is on board)
Kevin Martin: 10 mil until 2013
Noccino:  7 mil until 2012 (technically a bad contract)
Francisco Garcia or Beno Udrich:  5.8 mil until 2013 (both technically bad contracts if you ask me)

Why for Boston?  Kevin Martin is terrific and is a younger poor man's Ray Allen.  We get rid of Rondo and take a major gamble on Rubio (if he's available at #4)... 


Why for the Kings?  They are paying too much for average players.  The team stinks.  They are losing money.  They get a top 5 point guard in Rondo, shed some bad contracts (in my opinion) and free up a buttload of cap room.  Ray Allen still has major game.  The Kings end up getting the two best players in the trade, by far.

Nuts?  No more nuts than Rondo + Ray for Rubio and Gay

[LarBrd33]

btw... draftexpress.com also has the Kings taking Rubio with the #4.

[LarBrd33]

smaller idea that needs work:

Rondo - 2.6
Tony Allen - 2.6
Scal - 3.4

for

#4 (Rubio)
Noccioni 7.5

Only doing that if Rondo is privately asking out... and we already know that Ainge came close to going after noccioni


Have them throw in another guy... Jason Thompson?  Lol...

[Evantime34]

I feel like it would kill out chemistry to trade both Ray and Rondo (Obviously there are some trades for the two that would be impossible to pass up). This is not just a criticism of your trade but of all the trades I've seen on this board where we trade both.

[PosImpos]

The only guy I really want from the Kings is Nocioni.  Sure, Martin would be awesome, and if we could trade Ray straight up for Martin I would actually do that trade.  

But realistically, it won't happen, and I don't want to give up Rondo (a known quantity) for Rubio (a very unknown quantity, regardless of what he's done overseas / in the Olympics) unless Rondo is asking to leave (which I really doubt is the case).

For Nocioni, we shouldn't have to give up starters in a trade just to get him.  If we can't get Nocioni by trading away our expiring bench guys, then he's not worth getting, either.

[VPofCommonSense]

Where is the question of Rondo leaving coming from?  Why would he ever want to leave this team?  He's in a perfect spot here.

[Lucky17]

Sacto would be ecstatic if Rubio were there at #4. PG is a serious area of need for them.

I would not be surprised if the Kings moved up to make sure they got him.

[LarBrd33]

Sacto would be ecstatic if Rubio were there at #4. PG is a serious area of need for them.

I would not be surprised if the Kings moved up to make sure they got him.

Here is what Chad Ford had to say on the subject:

"Another week, another player for the Kings. I think, ideally, the Kings will figure out a way to move up in the draft. They've had some preliminary discussions with the Grizzlies, but the price is high. Moving up two spots would cost them the No. 4 pick and last year's lottery pick, Jason Thompson. That's a high price for Rubio. Probably too high.

If they don't trade up and if Rubio doesn't fall to them, they will be in a tough position. The team needs a point guard, preferably a big one, and two players stand out. Jrue Holiday's combination of size and defensive ability is intriguing. However, his lack of production at UCLA is a big concern. Evans was much more productive at Memphis and has terrific upside as a scoring point. The other possibilities here include Brandon Jennings, Jonny Flynn and Curry."

So #4 and Jason Thompson might be too much for them to move up for Rubio...

but would the #4, Jason Thompson and Noccioni be enough for them to get back a proven young star PG (Rondo) and expiring contracts (Scal and Tony)?

[Lucky17]

The only guy I really want from the Kings is Nocioni.  Sure, Martin would be awesome, and if we could trade Ray straight up for Martin I would actually do that trade.  

But realistically, it won't happen, and I don't want to give up Rondo (a known quantity) for Rubio (a very unknown quantity, regardless of what he's done overseas / in the Olympics) unless Rondo is asking to leave (which I really doubt is the case).

For Nocioni, we shouldn't have to give up starters in a trade just to get him.  If we can't get Nocioni by trading away our expiring bench guys, then he's not worth getting, either.

Here's something I came up with, based on last year's rumor involving the Celtics acquiring Nocioni, and the more recent chatter suggesting the Pistons are looking to clear an additional chunk of cap space by trading Amir Johnson:

BOS trades Tony Allen, Scal, Giddens, Pruitt, and cash
BOS receives Nocioni and #15 pick

SAC trades Nocioni and #23 pick
SAC receives Tony Allen, Scal, Pruitt, cash, and Amir Johnson

DET trades Amir Johnson and #15 pick
DET receives Giddens, cash, and #23 pick

Boston consolidates its expiring contracts, cash, and last year's first rounder to acquire Nocioni and buy a pick, which they can use to draft a backup point guard.

The Kings get out from Nocioni's long-term deal and acquires a little cash and  some young/unproven talent in Allen, Pruitt, and Johnson, all of whom are expiring deals. Scal might also agree to a buyout, and Pruitt's deal is non-guaranteed, so Sacto might also break even as far as payroll implications for next year.

Detroit clears an additional $2.5 mil in cap space for next season, stays in the 1st round, sliding down a few slots where a guaranteed rookie contract isn't as great, and also nets a little cash from Boston. They can also kick the tires on Giddens.

[the_Bird]

Is Detroit that far down on Amir Johnson?  It wasn't that long ago they seemed to be really enamored of him.

I'd love to see a simple deal with Sacramento; TA, Scal, maybe Giddens for Nooch.  Might have to tweak to get the numbers right.  They save money with expiring deals and save face by getting a young guy who WAS a 1st round pick last year (barely).  We get a very good, albeit somewhat overpaid, backup for Pierce.  That's the first mission of the offseason, completed.

[KCattheStripe]

The only guy I really want from the Kings is Nocioni.  Sure, Martin would be awesome, and if we could trade Ray straight up for Martin I would actually do that trade. 

But realistically, it won't happen, and I don't want to give up Rondo (a known quantity) for Rubio (a very unknown quantity, regardless of what he's done overseas / in the Olympics) unless Rondo is asking to leave (which I really doubt is the case).

For Nocioni, we shouldn't have to give up starters in a trade just to get him.  If we can't get Nocioni by trading away our expiring bench guys, then he's not worth getting, either.

Here's something I came up with, based on last year's rumor involving the Celtics acquiring Nocioni, and the more recent chatter suggesting the Pistons are looking to clear an additional chunk of cap space by trading Amir Johnson:

BOS trades Tony Allen, Scal, Giddens, Pruitt, and cash
BOS receives Nocioni and #15 pick

SAC trades Nocioni and #23 pick
SAC receives Tony Allen, Scal, Pruitt, cash, and Amir Johnson

DET trades Amir Johnson and #15 pick
DET receives Giddens, cash, and #23 pick

Boston consolidates its expiring contracts, cash, and last year's first rounder to acquire Nocioni and buy a pick, which they can use to draft a backup point guard.

The Kings get out from Nocioni's long-term deal and acquires a little cash and  some young/unproven talent in Allen, Pruitt, and Johnson, all of whom are expiring deals. Scal might also agree to a buyout, and Pruitt's deal is non-guaranteed, so Sacto might also break even as far as payroll implications for next year.

Detroit clears an additional $2.5 mil in cap space for next season, stays in the 1st round, sliding down a few slots where a guaranteed rookie contract isn't as great, and also nets a little cash from Boston. They can also kick the tires on Giddens.

TP for a good one.

[PosImpos]

The only guy I really want from the Kings is Nocioni.  Sure, Martin would be awesome, and if we could trade Ray straight up for Martin I would actually do that trade.  

But realistically, it won't happen, and I don't want to give up Rondo (a known quantity) for Rubio (a very unknown quantity, regardless of what he's done overseas / in the Olympics) unless Rondo is asking to leave (which I really doubt is the case).

For Nocioni, we shouldn't have to give up starters in a trade just to get him.  If we can't get Nocioni by trading away our expiring bench guys, then he's not worth getting, either.

Here's something I came up with, based on last year's rumor involving the Celtics acquiring Nocioni, and the more recent chatter suggesting the Pistons are looking to clear an additional chunk of cap space by trading Amir Johnson:

BOS trades Tony Allen, Scal, Giddens, Pruitt, and cash
BOS receives Nocioni and #15 pick

SAC trades Nocioni and #23 pick
SAC receives Tony Allen, Scal, Pruitt, cash, and Amir Johnson

DET trades Amir Johnson and #15 pick
DET receives Giddens, cash, and #23 pick

Boston consolidates its expiring contracts, cash, and last year's first rounder to acquire Nocioni and buy a pick, which they can use to draft a backup point guard.

The Kings get out from Nocioni's long-term deal and acquires a little cash and  some young/unproven talent in Allen, Pruitt, and Johnson, all of whom are expiring deals. Scal might also agree to a buyout, and Pruitt's deal is non-guaranteed, so Sacto might also break even as far as payroll implications for next year.

Detroit clears an additional $2.5 mil in cap space for next season, stays in the 1st round, sliding down a few slots where a guaranteed rookie contract isn't as great, and also nets a little cash from Boston. They can also kick the tires on Giddens.

This actually makes sense and seems plausible.  Nice.

[LarBrd33]

looks like I wasn't far off...

"The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen."

So...
Rondo
Tony Allen
Scal

for

#4 (Rubio?  Evans??)
Noccioni
Jason Thompson

might actually be fine with the Kings

[Fafnir]

looks like I wasn't far off...

"The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen."

So...
Rondo
Tony Allen
Scal

for

#4 (Rubio?  Evans??)
Noccioni
Jason Thompson

might actually be fine with the Kings

I still don't like that trade. I'd be much more comfortable trading our older players for picks/youth than Rondo.

[LarBrd33]

Yeah the thing with Rondo is tricky. I seem to think he's more like the player who we saw in the regular season... than the player who played out of his freakin mind against a rookie in the Chicago series.

It just depends how great you think the #4 pick potentially will be.  If Rubio is the next Pistol Pete.. well then...