How the Celtics can acquire the # 1 Pick and still be contenders for 2010 - 2012

[Donoghus]

You add a potential stud at PF but you already have a stud there and he can't play the 3 or 5 so he ends up on your bench.

Kaman can play both the 4 and the 5 position effectively and a 3 man rotation of KG, KP and CK at those positions would allow him to get his minutes.

Was talking about Griffin as the potential stud. 

[lon3lytoaster]

I probably do it if we can sign Ron Artest.

[action781]

You have to make this deal because, on talent, you get Kamen for free.

Baron and Ray are a wash.
Griffen and Rondo are a wash.
Kamen is much more valuable than Giddens.

Except that you're replacing 2/5 of your starting five (chemistry?) plus you have a HUGE downgrade at the SG position.  You add a potential stud at PF but you already have a stud there and he can't play the 3 or 5 so he ends up on your bench. 

Just because it appears that the Celtics appear to get the better net gain on "talent" doesn't necessarily mean its best for the team. 

I don't make that trade.

Good big men like Kaman aren't that easy to find.  You could easily move him for a Pietrus type player to play the 2.

Then our starting lineup gets a little weaker while adding a great young player on the bench who will be the future of our franchise.  Can't say I'm completely against this.

[Celtic]

At first my gut reaction was yes, but then I when I gave it a little more thought it's a no. You get a ton of talented big men, but a downgrade in Baron Davis who will likely get injured for an extended period of time. The complete lack of a shooting guard is what makes this a guaranteed no for me, very interesting proposal though.

[Jon]

Any trade that breaks up this core I'm pretty much going to say no to.  Why?  Because I believe that when this team is healthy, it can win 70 games.  They won 66 games two years ago when Rondo and Perkins were half the players they are now.  They won 62 games this year with KG missing 25 games.  If they stay healthy this year and add a couple decent bench players, 70 is attainable. 

One team in the history of basketball has won 70 games. 

To break up a team that can win 70 games because you think you can improve it, is sheer lunacy. 

People on this board take for granted how well our starters fit into together.  Throwing 5 other players of comparable talent would not necessarily (and I'd go as far as to say not likely) yield the same results.  A lot of the younger players mentioned would be playing for stats to bolster further contracts and might not fit into the team mold.

Keep this team together. 

[Greg]

TP for the effort, I just don't think it works for the Celtics.

The only way I'd do the trade would be minus Kaman plus Gordon or Thornton... but why the hell would the Clips do that?  And I don't think B-Diddy would be an upgrade over Rondo although he is one of my favorite players in the league.

Also, it's Blake Griffin, not Griffen.  Just thought you should know.  Nothing personal.

[Edgar]

dont u think we are giving too much valuo to rondo negociation
I think he deserves perkules money tops....


pst pst..help me
wee need him to think that

[lon3lytoaster]

Any trade that breaks up this core I'm pretty much going to say no to.  Why?  Because I believe that when this team is healthy, it can win 70 games.  They won 66 games two years ago when Rondo and Perkins were half the players they are now.  They won 62 games this year with KG missing 25 games.  If they stay healthy this year and add a couple decent bench players, 70 is attainable. 

One team in the history of basketball has won 70 games. 

To break up a team that can win 70 games because you think you can improve it, is sheer lunacy. 

People on this board take for granted how well our starters fit into together.  Throwing 5 other players of comparable talent would not necessarily (and I'd go as far as to say not likely) yield the same results.  A lot of the younger players mentioned would be playing for stats to bolster further contracts and might not fit into the team mold.

Keep this team together. 

I agree with you on the thinking they could potentially win 70 games, but at the same time, they might struggle to win 50 in two to three years. So the question comes down to who's going to be a better franchise player in the future... Griffin or Rondo?

[pengaloo]

Any trade that breaks up this core I'm pretty much going to say no to.  Why?  Because I believe that when this team is healthy, it can win 70 games.  They won 66 games two years ago when Rondo and Perkins were half the players they are now.  They won 62 games this year with KG missing 25 games.  If they stay healthy this year and add a couple decent bench players, 70 is attainable. 

One team in the history of basketball has won 70 games. 

To break up a team that can win 70 games because you think you can improve it, is sheer lunacy. 

People on this board take for granted how well our starters fit into together.  Throwing 5 other players of comparable talent would not necessarily (and I'd go as far as to say not likely) yield the same results.  A lot of the younger players mentioned would be playing for stats to bolster further contracts and might not fit into the team mold.

Keep this team together. 

I agree with you on the thinking they could potentially win 70 games, but at the same time, they might struggle to win 50 in two to three years. So the question comes down to who's going to be a better franchise player in the future... Griffin or Rondo?

I think this sort of depends on how far down in the future we're talking about... in the next 4-5 years, I'd say Rondo. When Rondo's speed is less of a factor and Griffin gets to peak age, then I'd say Griffin for 5-10 years from now.

[rickyfan3.0...]

Love this trade. I was actually thinking along the same lines. I think it works on both ends...especially if we gave them Walker instead and they bought out Ray.

Great trade idea, don't get discouraged by the same old same olds who rip every trade you post instantly. Keep it up dude...

[guava_wrench]

So with all this talk about the celtics going after the # 2 Pick I thought why not just try to go for a homerun to get the #1 Pick while still being able to be a contender for the next few years?




LAC sends : Baron Davis, Chris Kaman and #1 Pick( Blake Griffen)

Bos sends : Ray Allen , Rajon Rondo and JR Giddens




Why for LAC :
For the Clippers they are getting a 22 year old PG who already has a championship under his belt who probably would be one of the 1st 2 Picks in the 09 NBA Draft. You team him up in the backcourt with Eric Gordon and you have a heck of a backcourt for the next 10+ years. This trade also allows the Clippers to have an extra 20 MIL in cap space after Ray Allen's contract runs out after this season.  It would also save them an additional 65MIL over the next 4 years between Kaman and Baron Davis contracts.

With Ray's 19 MIL expiring + Camby's 10 MIL expiring = 30 MIL Coming off the cap after next year

That means their Team Salary for their 2010 - 11 signed Players before free agency signing period would be about 25 MIL. They would have about 23 MIL in cap room after resigning Rondo ( for 10 mil a year) and that also means they could become major players for:

Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Stoudamire
Nowitzki
Josh Howard
Michael Redd

If you can sign Lebron , Wade, Bosh or Stoudamire and add them to what you already have on the clippers  you are going to be in Good shape. The remain Roster of the Clippers could definitely give Lebron the team he needs to win a championship


I think Lebron would sign there too for these reasons

1) If he can bring a championship to the horrid Clippers organization he would be a hero
2) He loves being a Celebrity and if its not going to be NY , LA is the spot to be
3) He would get to play in the same building as Kobe for every home game and would love the challenge of trying to beat the Lakers on the Clippers.

If you can sign Lebron then Ray Allen and Marcus Camby would likey resign on the cheap for the chance to win a title with Lebron. If they can do that their Roster would definitely be able to contend for a championship


Possible Clippers 2010 - 11 Roster
PG: Rondo
SG: Ray Allen / Eric Gordon
SF: Lebron / Thorton
PF: Zack Randolph
 C: Camby






Why for the Celtics:
This roster in my opinion would give the Celtics just as good a chance to win a championship in the next few years as we had with Rondo and Ray , but it also gives us a franchise player for the future. The only reason I do tihs trade is because I think that Blake Griffen is going to be an absolute stud. There would be no other player more suited to bring Griffen along as a PF than KG. With the athletic ability of Griffen, KG would turn him into a beast. We also get a suitable replacement for Rondo in Baron Davis , who IMO is a championship level PG and a perfect 3rd option on a team.  While Baron Davis has had some injuries in the past he hasn't has any major injuries in the past 3 seasons and is still only 30 years old. I think that Baron can still play in the league at a very high level and will be able to put up compareable stats to Ray as the 2nd or 3rd option on this team and he is 5 years younger than Ray.

The Celtics would also be getting a legit starting C in the NBA who is still only 27 years old. He is averaging just a shade under a double double for his career 10 PPG , 8 RPG. He would be the perfect backup for Perk and would give us leverage when Perk's contract runs out or if god forbid Perk gets inured.

Boston Celtics
2009-10 Roster


69 MIL  + FA Pickups ( 7 MIL) = around 76 Mil for the 09-10 roster

PG: Davis    /  Anthony Carter or Marbury( Vet Min) / Pruitt
SG: Anthony Parker or Von Wafer (MLE) /  Walker / House
SF: PP      /   Grant Hill or Matt Barnes (Vet Min) / Griffen
PF: KG     /   Griffen /   Scal    /  Powe (IR)
 C: Perk    /  Kaman / KG




Roster going forward

2010 - 11 Team Salary = Est. 70-75 MIL for signed players

 Signed Players: PG: Davis
                 SG: Von Wafer or Anythony Parker , Walker
                 SF: PP
                 PF: KG , Griffen
                  C: Perk, Kaman
7 Open Roster Spots

Celtics 2010 - 11 UFA - Scal , House , TA , Pruitt



2011- 12 Team Salary = Est. 49 MIL for signed players

Signed Players: PG: Davis
                SG: Parker or Wafer , Walker
                SF:
                PF: KG, Griffen
                 C: Perk, Kaman
8 Open Roster Spots

2011 - 12 UFA = PP


So what do you guys think? would you do this trade?

Can we take away 5 TP for thinking there is an IR in the NBA despite over 1000 posts on the forum?

[timepiece33]

Would it make more sense to substitute Camby FOR Kaman atleast from a cap flexibility standpoint?

I would assume that Blake Griffin would play SF for us with Pierce playing the SG position if this trade were to happen.

[Reggie's Ghost]

Call me crazy, but I pull the trigger on this deal.  Plenty of arrows in our quiver once this is done to aquire a SG, BD is a great guy by all accounts and good friends w/ PP, and I think this maximizes our window more than it dismantles it.  No one could beat us with the resulting team, IMO.  A very very clever option that stands out amongst all these other unrealistic ideas.

Trading a player like Rondo is not something anyone should take lightly and I understand why folks are hesitant.  Let me just say that when we pulled of the KG trade, a good friend of mine called me irate.  He couldn't believe we'd strip-mined our young talent, and that we'd given up so many young players we'd been following for so long.  Just saying, this is a [dang] good trade idea for both teams from where I'm standing.

Can we take away 5 TP for thinking there is an IR in the NBA despite over 1000 posts on the forum?

I have no idea what this means, help a brother out?

[Actionjakson]

Can we take away 5 TP for thinking there is an IR in the NBA despite over 1000 posts on the forum?

There is an IR in the NBA. A team can have up to 15 players on a roster. Only 12 can be active on any given day. The other three are considered on IR. They may just sit the bench in street clothes, play in the D-League, or be legitimately hurt.

So, there is an IR in the NBA.

I dont get the "over 1000 posts" part of you question, however. And why do you want to take TP's away?