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Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2009, 11:04:32 PM »

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If it is legit that the C's are looking at Rasheed (and I think it probably is), I'm also worried about this team slipping into a "This year's former All-Star rental" mode with free agent acquisitions. 

We need to try to take advantage of our narrow championship window, but we can't always plan on aging name players being a magic bullet.  Historically, that hasn't worked too often.  I wouldn't mind a solid vet or two, but if this team doesn't find some youth and athleticism over the offseason too, I'm gonna be a lot more worried about our future.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 12:07:50 AM »

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I disagree about his post moves. I think he has good balance playing with his back to the basket. He just doesn't go to it...

Ditto!

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 01:24:04 AM »

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I'm not a fan of Rasheed Wallace.  I'm not a fan of Kobe Bryant either.  But if the Celtics want to win another championship, he's the free agent they ought to be chasing. He's a perfect fit.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 07:48:40 AM »

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I have never really liked him as a "celtic" but always hated playing against him  because he can hit the big shots and knows what it takes to win.  I'd rather gamble, if that is the correct word, on wallace than sam or marbury.  Much much bigger upside here, big man who can spread the floor, plays good team d and is a good passer.  He can play some pf and c as a backup.  I think he can play with his back to the basket forever if he wants ala elvin hayes, post up turnaround jumper.  Guy knows how to set good screens .
I'd say danny would be stupid not to go after him.
Let's see  ::)
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Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 08:18:53 AM »

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I would rather have Sheed for the simple fact McDyess ditched us for Detroit last season & potentially cost us banner 18. Plus I just gotta believe with KG having so much respect for Sheed & vice versa, Sheed juices would boil in a good non-technical way playing with KG. A chance for them to both get ring #2 together. Charles Barkley always said Sheed is the most talented guy in the NBA but just never brought the whole arsenal out but on rare occasions. And with that said I would take a flyer on him rather than Dice.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 09:05:57 AM »

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I would rather have Sheed for the simple fact McDyess ditched us for Detroit last season & potentially cost us banner 18. Plus I just gotta believe with KG having so much respect for Sheed & vice versa, Sheed juices would boil in a good non-technical way playing with KG. A chance for them to both get ring #2 together. Charles Barkley always said Sheed is the most talented guy in the NBA but just never brought the whole arsenal out but on rare occasions. And with that said I would take a flyer on him rather than Dice.

Dice didn´t "ditch" us for Detroit last season. It was prearranged that he would go back to the team he played for for many years. If anything, it shows his loyalty and honesty.
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Rasheed???
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 09:48:33 AM »

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After Reading the No Need For Sheed post today, and seeing some harsh words for sheed, id like to point out.....THIS IS THE CELTICS... Stephon Marbury has been on the team now how long? and hasnt had any negative media attention. hasnt got into any trouble....woah. Now we got Ray Allen, not known for defence and where in the league and is somewhat lazy on that end..comes to the celtics and is one of the ebst defenders in the league. People thoguht 3 all stars on one team would never work...if ainge thought that wed styll be hanging 16.. Rasheed is a positive player, hed do great on this already star studded line up, and personally im all for him

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (marged)
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 10:51:43 AM »

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Sheed's career has been marred by serious motivation issues.  His talent has always been there, and I'm strongly of the opinion from watching him this year that he still has enough gas in the tank (the way Sheed plays, he's not getting banged up and bruised everynight).

That being said, a one or two year deal to play here and play a 6th man role for this team would stamp us into the Finals.  Give Sheed a minimal risk contact to come in and win another ring before he goes out.  When his team is winning, Sheed plays better than ever, and I'm sure the veteran atmosphere on this team is one he would thoroughly enjoy being a part of and buying into the "ubuntu" camaraderie (remember when he bought the whole team championship heavyweight belts after Detroit won a few years back?).  I do also feel like him and Doc would get along very well, Doc is the perfect candidate to bring the best out of Sheed and his interesting personality.

When he wants to play, he can be unstoppable on offense.  All he needs is an earful from some savvy veterans to get in the post and an earful from KG to not miss another defensive assignment.

Sign the guy up...not to mention the entertainment value he would bring to the Garden on a nightly basis.  He's a boatload of fun to watch, and when he tries hard, you can't help but root for him.

Re: Rasheed???
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 11:03:32 AM »

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After Reading the No Need For Sheed post today, and seeing some harsh words for sheed, id like to point out.....THIS IS THE CELTICS... Stephon Marbury has been on the team now how long? and hasnt had any negative media attention. hasnt got into any trouble....woah. Now we got Ray Allen, not known for defence and where in the league and is somewhat lazy on that end..comes to the celtics and is one of the ebst defenders in the league. People thoguht 3 all stars on one team would never work...if ainge thought that wed styll be hanging 16.. Rasheed is a positive player, hed do great on this already star studded line up, and personally im all for him

I get what your saying, and i agree that if sheed would behave anywhere its here, but ray allen is not one of the best defenders in the league.

He gives alot of effort, but i'd say he's improved from not good to average since joining the team.
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Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (marged)
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2009, 11:16:34 AM »

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Sheed is a perfect fit for this team right now. 

He is long, can block shot and can play Center or PF.  Also imagine the driving lanes for Rondo.  Who do you double off of to stop Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG from 20 ft or Rasheed behind the 3pt Line. 

I just think it is a good fit, if he would accept two or three years a the MLE you have to do this deal.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (marged)
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 11:19:03 AM »

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Sheed is a perfect fit for this team right now. 

He is long, can block shot and can play Center or PF.  Also imagine the driving lanes for Rondo.  Who do you double off of to stop Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, KG from 20 ft or Rasheed behind the 3pt Line. 

I just think it is a good fit, if he would accept two or three years a the MLE you have to do this deal.

The last line is the key, all this assumes Sheed is willing to take a pay cut to play here off the bench with KG. Which has been rumored, but not actually confirmed or floated to sheed (that we know of).

We shall see.
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Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2009, 11:29:31 AM »

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If it is legit that the C's are looking at Rasheed (and I think it probably is), I'm also worried about this team slipping into a "This year's former All-Star rental" mode with free agent acquisitions. 

We need to try to take advantage of our narrow championship window, but we can't always plan on aging name players being a magic bullet.  Historically, that hasn't worked too often.  I wouldn't mind a solid vet or two, but if this team doesn't find some youth and athleticism over the offseason too, I'm gonna be a lot more worried about our future.

1. Doc has said his primary problem with last year's team was that it was too young and immature come playoff time. After KG's injury, the locker room leadership included Pierce and Ray, which is good, but also Rondo and Perk, two young guys with dominant personalities who Doc thought regressed in the leadership department due to the fact that there was so much youth and immaturity - Davis, Powe, TA, Walker, Pruitt, Giddens - around them. He thought the presence of leaders like Posey and Brown (and KG) was sorely missed. While Marbury is a veteran, he has never been known as a good leader and it seems was so focused on just fitting in and not making waves that I doubt he ever really spoke up and tried to be a leader. And Moore failed so spectactularly (and has so little past success) that it's hard to look at him as a leader.

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We need to try to take advantage of our narrow championship window, but we can't always plan on aging name players being a magic bullet.  Historically, that hasn't worked too often. 

Have to strongly disagree here. 1 out of 1 or 2 ain't bad. Last year, while we brought in Marbury and Moore at the deadline, we really tried to go with youth as our bench instead of veteran leaders. That didn't work as most of them (O'Bryant, Pruitt, Walker, Giddens, TA) didn't work out or weren't ready.

That doesn't mean Sheed is the right guy necessarily (though I would be strongly in favor of him or McDyess joining and while for equal money I'd go with Sheed, I'd lean toward Dyess for less money), I'm just saying I disagree with this particular analysis.
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Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (marged)
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 11:29:35 AM »

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Toine is a better fit.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (marged)
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 11:56:58 AM »

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One of my biggest reason for wanting Ra is looking at the Lakers.  Gasol would abuse someone like McDyess while Ra would at least hold his own.

Re: I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2009, 03:51:09 PM »

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If it is legit that the C's are looking at Rasheed (and I think it probably is), I'm also worried about this team slipping into a "This year's former All-Star rental" mode with free agent acquisitions. 

We need to try to take advantage of our narrow championship window, but we can't always plan on aging name players being a magic bullet.  Historically, that hasn't worked too often.  I wouldn't mind a solid vet or two, but if this team doesn't find some youth and athleticism over the offseason too, I'm gonna be a lot more worried about our future.

1. Doc has said his primary problem with last year's team was that it was too young and immature come playoff time. After KG's injury, the locker room leadership included Pierce and Ray, which is good, but also Rondo and Perk, two young guys with dominant personalities who Doc thought regressed in the leadership department due to the fact that there was so much youth and immaturity - Davis, Powe, TA, Walker, Pruitt, Giddens - around them. He thought the presence of leaders like Posey and Brown (and KG) was sorely missed. While Marbury is a veteran, he has never been known as a good leader and it seems was so focused on just fitting in and not making waves that I doubt he ever really spoke up and tried to be a leader. And Moore failed so spectactularly (and has so little past success) that it's hard to look at him as a leader.

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We need to try to take advantage of our narrow championship window, but we can't always plan on aging name players being a magic bullet.  Historically, that hasn't worked too often. 

Have to strongly disagree here. 1 out of 1 or 2 ain't bad. Last year, while we brought in Marbury and Moore at the deadline, we really tried to go with youth as our bench instead of veteran leaders. That didn't work as most of them (O'Bryant, Pruitt, Walker, Giddens, TA) didn't work out or weren't ready.

That doesn't mean Sheed is the right guy necessarily (though I would be strongly in favor of him or McDyess joining and while for equal money I'd go with Sheed, I'd lean toward Dyess for less money), I'm just saying I disagree with this particular analysis.

Yeah, after thinking it over a bit and reading the thoughts of others, a healthy and motivated Sheed would be a better fit here than I'm giving him credit for.  I just don't see him coming here for less than the MLE at the very least, and I don't think it's worth the risk.  He was pretty lousy most of the year for Detroit - maybe some of that was due to realizing it was a lost season for them, but maybe not.  We won't know for sure til the cash is committed.

As for the "Aging Vet of the Year" stuff, I'm just wary of constantly chasing fading name players to fill gaps. Reminds me a little too much of the Yankees.  Sure, PJ did a great job in spots, but Cassell and Marbury were both basically duds.  As for your mention of leadership, if one of our Big 3 goes down it will hurt our veteran leadership, but there's no way we're winning a title without all three anyway.  A good veteran presence off the bench would be a nice addition, but Sheed's not exactly known as a stabilizing influence on the floor.  Plus, I'm talking about pursuing younger but somewhat established players (someone like Ariza, though I don't think we can get him) with all or some of our MLE - our young bench guys this year were either 2nd round picks who hadn't played much, a lottery pick who looked and played like a bust, or Tony Allen. 

Bottom line, I want to see us add some solid backup vets, but I also want us to improve our long term core with some of our exceptions, not just sign aging talent that we're hoping will have something left in the tank come May and June.  If signing Sheed costs us a chance to add some legit long-term help, I'm against it.