I'm thinking C's are thinking Rasheed Wallace (merged)

[joeb]

Why does this make sense?
1. Celts need a veteran big man coming off the bench
2. Celts need additional length
3. Celts need another big man that can stretch the floor
4. Celts need another inside scorer

Why this could work?
1. Detroit has had enough of Sheed
2. Sheed has had enough of Detroit
3. He could be motivated to get another ring and prove his critics wrong.
4. He is friendly with KG
5. The Celts' locker room is strong enough to hold him in check.

I just have this feeling that this is one of those veteran players that Wyc referred to. When motivated, he can score inside and out, rebound and block shots. I also think he can be had for the MLE.

Thoughts?

[Roy Hobbs]

Why does this make sense?

4. Celts need another inside scorer

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside.  Frankly, I can't remember ever seeing a big man with an inside-outside ratio like that.  Even Raef shot a lower percentage of outside shots with Boston than Rasheed did last year.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET14.HTM#pstats

[mahonedog88]

Yeah it'd be nice to have him I think, but what they don't need is a back-up center where all he does is jack up threes.  They need a seven footer who is basically in there for defense.

That's not Rasheed's game anymore.  Nor was it ever his game really.

[fairweatherfan]

I absolutely do not want Rasheed, unless we can get him for something close to the minimum, which will never happen.  He gives us another jumpshooter whose skills are fading fast and who might very well have a major problem taking reduced minutes.  He'd improve the team, but he's too high risk/low reward to be worth any substantial price tag.

[joeb]

Why does this make sense?

4. Celts need another inside scorer

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside.  Frankly, I can't remember ever seeing a big man with an inside-outside ratio like that.  Even Raef shot a lower percentage of outside shots with Boston than Rasheed did last year.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET14.HTM#pstats

Was that because of Rasheed or was that the way Detroit used him? But I recall seeing him play on the block, with his size and length he can get off his turnaround 10 footer on most big guys. Even more so when playing against 2nd teamers.

[joeb]

I absolutely do not want Rasheed, unless we can get him for something close to the minimum, which will never happen.  He gives us another jumpshooter whose skills are fading fast and who might very well have a major problem taking reduced minutes.  He'd improve the team, but he's too high risk/low reward to be worth any substantial price tag.

I'm not in love with this guy. He would certainly have to come for the right price, whatever that may be. The risk is in the $, which goes to my 1st sentence (the right price). The reward can be substantial. He still has skills,and you won;t be looking for the same level of contributions as what was expected in Detroit. Then there's that big carrot...no, not the ring, but the opportunity to prove all his critics (and there are many) wrong. He has that type of demeanor.

[PJ Martinez]

I've been rooting for Rasheed to the Celtics for a while now. Admittedly, I'm a fan of his, and not necessarily rational about this. That said, I think it's quite feasible that the drop-off in Rasheed's play last year was a motivational issue that would be remedied by suiting up next to KG and making a run at banner 18.

Those who don't like the idea -- would you rather McDyess? And if so, is it because you think he'll come cheaper, or you think he'll be better?

[joeb]

I've been rooting for Rasheed to the Celtics for a while now. Admittedly, I'm a fan of his, and not necessarily rational about this. That said, I think it's quite feasible that the drop-off in Rasheed's play last year was a motivational issue that would be remedied by suiting up next to KG and making a run at banner 18.

Those who don't like the idea -- would you rather McDyess? And if so, is it because you think he'll come cheaper, or you think he'll be better?

What if you could have both? It's possible. Both are getting up there in age, and there's only so many MLE's available. Could be that one could be had for the Vet minimum. Begs the question about filling other needs (backup for Pierce and Rondo), but an interesting scenario.

[CoachBo]

Rasheed's outside shooting ratio is strictly him, IMHO. I don't see that he has much left in the tank.

Dice, on the other hand, seems to have a couple of years at least. I prefer a back to the basket guy like Dice, who can step out and hit the 15 footer, to Sheed.

[Roy Hobbs]

Rasheed's outside shooting ratio is strictly him, IMHO. I don't see that he has much left in the tank.

Dice, on the other hand, seems to have a couple of years at least. I prefer a back to the basket guy like Dice, who can step out and hit the 15 footer, to Sheed.

I concur with CoachBo's analysis.  I'd rather have McDyess, if the money was even.  Considering that Rasheed will probably want the full MLE, and McDyess should be available for less than that, it makes the decision even easier.

[jchen1731]

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside. 

However, as seen in 2004, he definitely has post games! I think ever since larry brown left, the pistons have stopped going to him in the post, and thus, sheed has become a mere jump shooter. I think he is still capable of being the post scorer he once was. You don't lose post moves with age!

[MVP]

Rasheed's outside shooting ratio is strictly him, IMHO. I don't see that he has much left in the tank.

Dice, on the other hand, seems to have a couple of years at least. I prefer a back to the basket guy like Dice, who can step out and hit the 15 footer, to Sheed.

I wouldn't say Dice is a back to the basket guy. 75% of his shots were jumpers. Not as much as Sheed, but he is certainly closer to being a jump shooter then a back to the basket player. Powe is a back to the basket guy - only 22% of his shots were jumpers. I'd be happy with either, but would prefer Sheed because of his range, his size and ability to neutralize Dwight on both ends of the court.

[Roy Hobbs]

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside. 

However, as seen in 2004, he definitely has post games! I think ever since larry brown left, the pistons have stopped going to him in the post, and thus, sheed has become a mere jump shooter. I think he is still capable of being the post scorer he once was. You don't lose post moves with age!

Rasheed has never been much of a post scorer.  In 2004, 23% of his buckets were inside.  In 2003, 20% of them were.  He doesn't really have many post moves to speak of.  He could score inside occasionally due to his size and athleticism, but athleticism absolutely declines with age (as does energy and desire for inside contact).

[winsomme]

Why does this make sense?

4. Celts need another inside scorer

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside.  Frankly, I can't remember ever seeing a big man with an inside-outside ratio like that.  Even Raef shot a lower percentage of outside shots with Boston than Rasheed did last year.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET14.HTM#pstats

The thing about Sheed, though, is he actually does have a post game. For whatever reason, he doesn't go to it, but he does have the moves...

That said, I really like the way that he stretches the floor and forces other teams bigs to extend to the three point line. That would be a big boost to Rondo for one because it opens up the driving lanes...

and we know Danny likes that element because it's one of the reasons he brought in Raef.

[winsomme]

One quibble:  Rasheed is *not* an inside scorer.  In fact, only 11% (!!) of his shots last season were inside. 

However, as seen in 2004, he definitely has post games! I think ever since larry brown left, the pistons have stopped going to him in the post, and thus, sheed has become a mere jump shooter. I think he is still capable of being the post scorer he once was. You don't lose post moves with age!

Rasheed has never been much of a post scorer.  In 2004, 23% of his buckets were inside.  In 2003, 20% of them were.  He doesn't really have many post moves to speak of.  He could score inside occasionally due to his size and athleticism, but athleticism absolutely declines with age (as does energy and desire for inside contact).

I disagree about his post moves. I think he has good balance playing with his back to the basket. He just doesn't go to it...