Sorry to clog up the blog with another trade thread but... (TOR/BOS/PHO)

[beantownboy171]

What do you guys think of this one.

Toronto Gives: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon
Toronto Gets: Amare Stoudemire, Robin Lopez, Jarred Dudley

Boston Gives: Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Brian Scalibrine
Boston Gets: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, Leandro Barbosa

Pheonix Gives: Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa, Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley
Pheonix Gets: Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Brian Scalibrine

This trade is more than anything a response to both the recent (although false) trade rumors consisting of Rajon Rondo, and Ray Allen for Amare Staudemire and Leandro Barbosa. (which is basically what the suns are doing while giving up one more player in Dudley.)

I think this is a no brainer for both the celtics and suns. As for the raptors, it all depends on where they think they are in terms of next years free agency with chris bosh.

Obviously any trade of this magnitude is very unlikely but playing the role of GM is just too much fun.

Why Boston Does it: Gets them alot younger, expands their window past Garnett and Pierce.

Why Boston Doesn't do it: Rajon Rondo possibly to good of a prospect to pass up. Don't want to break up the chemistry of a team.

Why Pheonix Does It: Money. Gives them salary cap relief at the end of the 2009-2010 season. While still giving them a great young player.

Why Pheonix doesn't do it: I don't really know. Maybe they don't wanna get rid of Lopez's hair. Its a no-brainer for them

Why Toronto Does it: Helps them prepare for life after the Chris Bosh era. Gives them more depth at the forward and frontcourt positions.

Why Toronto Doesn't do it: Of all the possible free agents next summer. I think Chris Bosh is one of the few who has a chance to stay put.

[beantownboy171]

The salaries work btw.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ry7mcn

[Kwhit10]

Wouldn't Toronto be afraid of Amare leaving in a year as well?

[Jon]

Like many of the trades, they don't sound bad on paper.  However, games aren't played on paper.  

The C's get bigger up front, but in order to totally utilize the talent of the trade to the fullest, they'd have to swing KG to the 3, and Pierce to the 2.  I don't like that.  5 years ago it might've worked, but as they age, it's going to be increasingly difficult for KG to stay with 3s and PP with 2s.  To make matters worse, the PG position is dramatically downgraded defensively with Calderon replacing Rondo.  

Again, I get that people want to get younger.  However, I think what likely happens if we make a trade like this one is that the C's stay good for a long time, but end up being a lot like the '90s Knicks or Pacers: good, but not great teams that will never win a title.  

We have a team that if it was healthy, probably would win the title this year.  Next year, with a couple bench players, there's no reason to think they can't do it again.  You don't break a team up that has that sort of potential.  Especially for guys who have never proven they can win anything.  

[wiley]

This trade is not at all easy to dismiss!!  (except maybe from Toronto's viewpoint, as OP already mentioned).

Last year Garnett and Posey finished many games on the floor together, interspersing Perk for defense.  This year Perk was even better than previous year, so it would seem strange to do a similar thing next year to we did a year ago.  However, if you're talking about finishing a game with Bosh and Garnett verses Posey and Garnett (and I'm a huge Posey fan) well that's not such a terrible thing is it?  So in my view Perkins and Garnett would be the starters and set the defensive tone of the game.  Bosh would get big minutes (Garnett's coming off injury after all and his minutes should be decreased) and Bosh and Garnett would finish many games on the floor together, although if they were up by 10 they may finish with Perk and Garnett, depending on matchups and Bosh's defense.  Wouldn't Bosh learn a great deal from Garnett about defense and also the intensity needed to win?  So, I don't see Bosh and Garnett as a real problem as long as we still have Perk.  It's probably Perk's minutes that would come down the most, a mid to early career break in his heavy workload, no big problem.  And the other thing  I like about this deal is it protects somewhat against injury.  Coming off injury it is my belief that Garnett should work into big minutes very slowly.  Injury and starter burnout is a very real issue for the Celtics, which is why despite agreeing with Jon's previous post for the most part, I think this trade actually DECREASES a certain amount of risk even while it represents the inherent risk of losing the starting backcourt of a championship team.  In other words it both takes and gives.  Perk and a Garnett-tutored Bosh would make a great future frontcourt as well, but Garnett could stick around longer and last longer via Bosh taking over as a starter in a year or two.  Keep in mind Bosh would probably end up getting more minutes than Perk even with Perk starting, and that, plus the chance at a championship would probably keep him from complaining about not starting.  And then against freaky teams with three bigs like Atlanta, Orlando and L.A. (if they start Odom) there could indeed be some minutes with Perk, Garnett and Bosh on the floor together, not a lot but some.

Our new backcourt would be Calderon, Barbosa, House, Giddens, and a free agent or someone via another trade, but a replacement for Pierce would be the biggest thing left to do.  I'd get 2, Kleiza and Grant Hill.

Calderon, Barbosa, House
2-guard?, House, Barbosa, Giddens
Pierce, Grant Hill, Kleiza
Garnett, Bosh, Kleiza, Powe
Perk, Bosh, Rasho N.

I love watching Barbosa play.   But I'm a Rondo fanatic.   Hmmmm.  I'm stumped on this one.  Seems like one of those where the G.M. throws up his hands and says:   I have no choice but to pull the trigger.

[wiley]

I'd like it even more if we magically got Big Al Jefferson instead of Bosh.  Getting Al Jefferson might be the only way I could get over losing Rondo.  Okay count me out!  Just go get the best bench ever!!!

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't see why Toronto would ever do this trade, and I think Phoenix would be giving up too much, but for me, it's a no brainer for Boston. 

I like Rondo and Ray, but the talent coming back is just too much.  The chance to land a superstar big man, and still have a near all-star point guard, would be too good to pass up.

[greenwise]

What do you guys think of this one.

Toronto Gives: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon
Toronto Gets: Amare Stoudemire, Robin Lopez, Jarred Dudley

Boston Gives: Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Brian Scalibrine
Boston Gets: Chris Bosh, Jose Calderon, Leandro Barbosa

Pheonix Gives: Amare Stoudemire, Leandro Barbosa, Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley
Pheonix Gets: Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, Brian Scalibrine

This trade is more than anything a response to both the recent (although false) trade rumors consisting of Rajon Rondo, and Ray Allen for Amare Staudemire and Leandro Barbosa. (which is basically what the suns are doing while giving up one more player in Dudley.)

I think this is a no brainer for both the celtics and suns. As for the raptors, it all depends on where they think they are in terms of next years free agency with chris bosh.

Obviously any trade of this magnitude is very unlikely but playing the role of GM is just too much fun.

Why Boston Does it: Gets them alot younger, expands their window past Garnett and Pierce.

Why Boston Doesn't do it: Rajon Rondo possibly to good of a prospect to pass up. Don't want to break up the chemistry of a team.

Why Pheonix Does It: Money. Gives them salary cap relief at the end of the 2009-2010 season. While still giving them a great young player.

Why Pheonix doesn't do it: I don't really know. Maybe they don't wanna get rid of Lopez's hair. Its a no-brainer for them

Why Toronto Does it: Helps them prepare for life after the Chris Bosh era. Gives them more depth at the forward and frontcourt positions.

Why Toronto Doesn't do it: Of all the possible free agents next summer. I think Chris Bosh is one of the few who has a chance to stay put.

I love this trade. Obviously this kind of trades is rare, but it is nice to play GM

TP for the trade idea, that is very good for Suns and Celtics btw

[Rondo_is_better]

This is the best trade proposal I've ever seen on this board. Its fairly realitic all the way around--a major step up from a lot of what I see being suggested on Celtics Blog. TP.

But I wouldn't do it. if we could just pretend that Ray has one extra year on his deal then I would do it next year, but right now, no, I can't. I don't know why--maybe its just cuz I FEEL a championship coming next year--but I can't convince myself to pull the trigger on this one.

[PosImpos]

This trade, like others proposed, is still quite unrealistic because it leaves us with two (albeit great) starting PFs and gives us something of a downgrade defensively-speaking.

The only way to remedy the frontcourt logjam would be to bench Perk, which I think would be an awful idea.

In any case, it's way too wacky to ever happen.

[POBstuntin]

I love the idea, blockbuster 3 team trades are always fun in the trade machine.  Tough sell for the Raptors I think, if they are getting rid of Bosh, you would think they'd want premium young talent that would at least be around for 3 years and a high draft pick of some sorts in 10.  But you've got me legit thinking about it and I'm all for keeping ray and rondo so TP for cleverness. 

[wdleehi]

The trade works for Boston.  (as long as Bosh will be willing to take on the Mchale 6th man role) 


I don't see Phoenix doing it.  Why trade Amare and take back just Ray and Rondo when Bosh is being moved for him? 

[cdif911]

clog the blog, I like it

[BballTim]

  Is Bosh even as good as Amare? Shouldn't we just try the original Phoenix trade if that's what we're doing? This trade is a significant downgrade of our backcourt, especially on the defensive end. Did we suddenly switch from "win now" to "lessen our chances so we can be a decent team longer"?

[wdleehi]

  Is Bosh even as good as Amare? Shouldn't we just try the original Phoenix trade if that's what we're doing? This trade is a significant downgrade of our backcourt, especially on the defensive end. Did we suddenly switch from "win now" to "lessen our chances so we can be a decent team longer"?

I like Bosh more.  Plays both ends.  Less freak injuries.


Plus, with this trade, the Celtics replace Rondo with another good PG instead of a small SG.