09 Celtic trade proposal analysis

[SSFan V]

I have been reading as many of the trade proposals as I can and they have raised a few realistic questions with me.  Please read and share your thoughts:

I see 3 key factors that influence the Celtics ability to trade anyone this year:

#1.  Beyond the starters, do the Celtics have a single player under contract that another team would seriously want?  Powe is injured, BBD not under contract, perhaps Eddie House.  Giddens, Pruitt, Allen, Scal, Walker?  All jags, no real value.

#2.  The contracts of KPA are so huge that unless a team is looking for some serious cap space why would they trade for them?  Which means that for 09 the only one of the three that would be on the market would be my binky, Ray.  I can't imagine a team in contention would be able to trade for any of them due to cap restrictions and what they would have to give up in return.  I also can't imagine any team not in contention trading for them unless they were looking to unload salary at the end of the season, and then I can only see them doing so at the trading deadline and only for Allen.  Given the size of their contracts, their age and the limited # of teams would be interested and what the Celtics could get in return, I'd say that KPA are extremely devalued on the trade front. 

#3.  The only 2 players I can imagine anyone wanting would be Perkins or Rondo.  Both young, both improving, both have the chance to be amazing players at their positions going forth.  But with all that being said, they are the cornerstones of the future, why would you trade them and what could you expect to get back that matches the cap space and make this team better?


Which leads me to the following:

#1.  Free agency is going to have to be 'the' factor in improving the bench, as the Celts really offer nothing valuable to any potential partner.  Any trades made of the role players will most likely be designed to create wiggle room with the cap or roster.  In order to really improve the bench, Wyc and company are going to have to suck it up and pay the luxury tax for the up coming season.

#2.  If....if.....if there were to be a blockbuster, I can't see any team partaking unless the Celts parted with either Rondo or Perkins and due to the need to get value back, I would imagine Ray Allen would have to be included in that deal.  Does a lottery level team have a player or two worth that risk?  Who in the league is worth Allen & Perks or Allen & Rondo?


Conclusion

For 09/10 what we see is what we are going to get(with the possible exception of a luxury cap hit FA signing), and if healthy I have no problem with that.

[Cman]

Conclusion

For 09/10 what we see is what we are going to get(with the possible exception of a luxury cap hit FA signing), and if healthy I have no problem with that.

Yes, I think this is probably right.  The big moves will probably be signing BBD to an extension and bringing aboard a decent bench player like Grant Hill. 

[Galiza Ceive]

Which in my opinion would be fair enough. We won 62 games this season, with Garnett healty we could very well be playing the finals so we dont need to completely rebuild our roster.
The starting 5 dont need to be touched and for the bench we still have three players that can perfectly be in the rotation (House, BBD and Powe). We only need 2 decent back ups for being a contender again this year.

[acieEarl]

While Rays contract is large, he's in his final year so some team might take it on in order to free themselves up for 2010.

I don't see us making any major moves with any of the starters. Any one else if fair game for a trade that makes sense to win next year.

[CoachBo]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

[SSFan V]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

I think (please correct me if I am wrong) that Scal and T Allen both have two years left on their contracts, thus making them less attractive to a team this year.

[Fafnir]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

I think (please correct me if I am wrong) that Scal and T Allen both have two years left on their contracts, thus making them less attractive to a team this year.

Scal and Tony both have contracts that expire after this season.

[SSFan V]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

I think (please correct me if I am wrong) that Scal and T Allen both have two years left on their contracts, thus making them less attractive to a team this year.

Scal and Tony both have contracts that expire after this season.

That changes a few things a bit....adds a bit more value than I thought.

[JSD]

#1.  Beyond the starters, do the Celtics have a single player under contract that another team would seriously want?  Powe is injured, BBD not under contract, perhaps Eddie House.  Giddens, Pruitt, Allen, Scal, Walker?  All jags, no real value.

Yes, they have 4 and possibly 5 very tradeable assets. It seems you are disregarding the value of expiring contracts.

[fugazzi24]

I am willing to bet we could trade Scal to someone for his expiring contract.  Then he will get bought out and return to the C's. 

Perhaps we could trade Scal and TA for Kapono, then they buyuot Scal.

Kapono could be are back up 2/3 and help with the second teams scoring and that would clear some cap space for Toronto to attract another free agent to play with Bosh.

[JSD]

I am willing to bet we could trade Scal to someone for his expiring contract.  Then he will get bought out and return to the C's. 

Perhaps we could trade Scal and TA for Kapono, then they buyuot Scal.

Kapono could be are back up 2/3 and help with the second teams scoring and that would clear some cap space for Toronto to attract another free agent to play with Bosh.

I'd rather a defensive oriented 2/3.

[fugazzi24]

Yes we do need a defensive 2/3 as well but everyone keeps asking for Grant Hill, who at this point plays little to no defense and does not spread the floor at all with his shooting.

I think our second team needs offense more than defense and that Bill Walker or JR Giddens could be a good defensive sub, if Doc decided not to play KPA 35minutes a game all season and let them develop. 

[SSFan V]

#1.  Beyond the starters, do the Celtics have a single player under contract that another team would seriously want?  Powe is injured, BBD not under contract, perhaps Eddie House.  Giddens, Pruitt, Allen, Scal, Walker?  All jags, no real value.

Yes, they have 4 and possibly 5 very tradeable assets. It seems you are disregarding the value of expiring contracts.

Name them.

I thought Scal and Tony Allen had 2 years left, so there's two I wasn't counting, but the only reason they are valuable is because of the expired contracts.  Aside from House, I don't think there's a player on the bench that has true value from a skills perspective.

[Thruthelookingglass]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

I think (please correct me if I am wrong) that Scal and T Allen both have two years left on their contracts, thus making them less attractive to a team this year.

Scal and Tony both have contracts that expire after this season.

That changes a few things a bit....adds a bit more value than I thought.

The added value is marginal, and makes a marginal deal slightly more likely.  I don't see it making an impact deal possible unless some insane GM gets carried away (and I encourage Danny to look for those!).  I completely agree with your original analysis.

[Celtic#9]

I don't expect any major trade, either, but I do believe there will be a handful of new veteran additions to the roster. Packaging some of our expiring minor deal s- such as Tony Allen and Scal - will have some attractiveness to another team.

There must be mutliple moves, at least two, because we have definitive and critical needs at the backup 5 and 3.

I think we should try to trade TA and sign and trade Powe to Golden State for SF Kelenna Azubuike. He would provide good back up for Paul and Ray. Golden State might not like the deal but they seem to have a lot of small forwards including quite a few good ones.