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Bulls-Celtics trade?
« on: May 30, 2009, 03:29:50 PM »

Offline ballaholic

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(Assuming the Bulls re-sign Gordon) we could trade Ray for Hinrich and Gordon.
Hinrich would be a great back-up-PG and Gordon an explosive scorer at the 2. That way we wouldn't have to re-sign Marbury.

We could sign Hill (he'd settle to 3 million) to back up PP and use the MLE to sheed (McDyess does not wanna play for the C's). Then re-sign Powe (I believe to that kid) and sign Magloire. Look at that!


Rondo-Hinrich-House
Gordon-House-TA
Pierce-Hill-Walker
KG-Rasheed-Powe
Perk-Magloire-Scal

What do u think?

Re: Bulls-Celtics trade?
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 03:36:04 PM »

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No way Chi-town does that trade. They lose about 10 ppg in scoring two young quality guards, while only gaining a decent, aging 2 guard. Yes, they gain an expiring contract, so that might be the only saving grace for them.

If im the celts i would do it no doubt though. To get a scorer like BG and a solid back up point like KH would be huge. They are young, and would extend our window for another championship.

The only way i could possibly see chicago do it, however, would to include BBD and possibly a future pick.
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Re: Bulls-Celtics trade?
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 04:08:38 PM »

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No way Chi-town does that trade. They lose about 10 ppg in scoring two young quality guards, while only gaining a decent, aging 2 guard. Yes, they gain an expiring contract, so that might be the only saving grace for them.

If im the celts i would do it no doubt though. To get a scorer like BG and a solid back up point like KH would be huge. They are young, and would extend our window for another championship.

The only way i could possibly see chicago do it, however, would to include BBD and possibly a future pick.
Yeah, ur propably right. CHI wouldn't except it. But ur idea is goof though, then again no Powe it'd be. Ray+BBD+Pick <--> BG+Kirk sounds better.

Re: Bulls-Celtics trade?
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2009, 04:09:25 PM »

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Im sure the Bulls watched RA botched shot upon shot upon shot in the Orlando series, so why on earth would they trade Gordon, which assuming they re sign and Hinrich for a near washed up all star?....makes no sense at all...They probably won't even trade Hinrich for Ray straight up.(besides the fact that the salaries don't add up.

Im a fan of Ray as the next guy, but can we atleast be realistic of any Trade Ray scenarios we put up and also think about any potential benefit from our trading partner other than an expiring contract.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 04:30:30 PM »

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not sure the trade works, but the post reminded me of how fun a series it was.
sometimes you have to bite your lip, exhale and move on.  So, I have.

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2009, 05:22:07 PM »

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No way Chi-town does that trade. They lose about 10 ppg in scoring two young quality guards, while only gaining a decent, aging 2 guard. Yes, they gain an expiring contract, so that might be the only saving grace for them.

If im the celts i would do it no doubt though. To get a scorer like BG and a solid back up point like KH would be huge. They are young, and would extend our window for another championship.

The only way i could possibly see chicago do it, however, would to include BBD and possibly a future pick.
Yeah, ur propably right. CHI wouldn't except it. But ur idea is goof though, then again no Powe it'd be. Ray+BBD+Pick <--> BG+Kirk sounds better.
Why would Chicago want Davis when they already have Thomas and Noah?

It'd be much more realistic as Gordon (S&T) + Salmons for Ray and Pruitt or something like that.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2009, 05:22:35 PM »

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Im sure the Bulls watched RA botched shot upon shot upon shot in the Orlando series, so why on earth would they trade Gordon, which assuming they re sign and Hinrich for a near washed up all star?....makes no sense at all...They probably won't even trade Hinrich for Ray straight up.(besides the fact that the salaries don't add up.

Im a fan of Ray as the next guy, but can we atleast be realistic of any Trade Ray scenarios we put up and also think about any potential benefit from our trading partner other than an expiring contract.

It boggles my mind sometimes some of the stuff said about Ray.  You don't go from an unbelievable series against Chicago to all of a sudden a near washed up player in the Orlando series.  It's been well documented that he played with a hamstring injury during the Orlando series with proof of that wrap around his leg.   Cut the guy a little slack.   Ray had a better year than his first year with the Celtics and one of the most efficient years of his career.  It's a little too early to call him near washed up.  

Re: Bulls-Celtics trade?
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2009, 08:37:30 PM »

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Excellent trade for Chicago ... but I don't think there's any chance they'll concur. They won't do this deal.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2009, 09:12:42 PM »

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I would rather not have Ben Gordon.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2009, 07:58:57 PM »

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No way Chi-town does that trade. They lose about 10 ppg in scoring two young quality guards, while only gaining a decent, aging 2 guard. Yes, they gain an expiring contract, so that might be the only saving grace for them.

If im the celts i would do it no doubt though. To get a scorer like BG and a solid back up point like KH would be huge. They are young, and would extend our window for another championship.

The only way i could possibly see chicago do it, however, would to include BBD and possibly a future pick.
You're over rating raw scoring. Ray Allen's numbers have dipped primarily because he shots of decreased.

Add to the fact that Ray Allen rebounds his position well, is a good passer, and defends much better than Gordon (he tries at least) Chicago would be much better with Ray Allen over Gordan. Replacing Hinrich could be tricky, but he's not worth his contract anyway so that is also a win.

I don't think the Celtics would do this deal unless Ben Gordan signed for a lot cheaper than I think he'll want to. You can't overpay a one-dimensional scorer.

Besides this trade makes the Celtics better. Sure Hinrich is awesome to have off the bench, but downgrading the 2 guard position severely would cost us any gains we'd make.

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 06:28:54 AM »

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Trades between same conference playoff rivals seldom happen. If Chicago were in the lottery a deal with them (if not this one) would be possible but this offseason I really doubt it.

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 08:19:05 AM »

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The C's likely wouldn't do this deal.  It wraps up way too much money in the guard position for the C's going forward, without a lot of size, and no cap relief.

I think the C's would much prefer a Gordon/Miller deal for Ray...unfortunately, there is not a whole lot of motivation for the Bulls to do that, since Miller is expiring as well, and if they needed the cap relief, they could just let Gordon walk.

The deal that I think would be the closest to working for both teams would be Allen for Hinrich and Miller. 

This gives the Bulls a legit starting SG to put next to Rose, and some cap relief from Hinrich's long contract, to make it easier to resign Gordon (who could be a super 6th man this year, before taking over again as a starter next year).

For the Celtics, it gives them a great option as a 3rd big man, who also has an expiring contract, to help giving them some relief from the luxury tax next year.  And Hinrich can play the 1 or the 2, is a good defender, who would really fit in well with their system with his aggressive and physical defensive style...he is almost like a shorter version of James Posey.  This would also free up the C's to use their MLE (or part of it) to bring in one of the better wings on the free agent market, since they will be much stronger up front.

I doubt either team would actually agree to this deal, but it is probably the closest match these teams could find.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 09:12:50 AM »

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I actually think the Bulls would be more willing to do this deal than people think. I believe they really want to go after Bosh when he's a free agent. I don't think they have any intention of keeping Gordon. But if a sign and trade would allow them to trade Hinrich (something they've been looking to do for awhile) and get a very productive, very large expiring contract, I think that's the best of both worlds for them.

Now from the Celtics perspective, I'm not sure if it's the right move. Hinrich would be perfect, as long as him and Rondo could limit the fisticuffs but it's a question of whether Gordon would be willing to defend. He showed against Ray that he's capable of following a guy around while still scoring, but will he be willing to do that all season?

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 09:49:33 AM »

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Just me being bored here...

Celtics trade: Ray, Tony, Scals
and get back: Jason Richardson, Luol Deng

Bulls trade: Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich
and get back: Amare, Scals

Phoenix trades: Amare, Richardson
And gets back: the Allen's and Captain Kirk.

Bulls resign Gordon and keep him on board, while adding a legit scoring big they lack. Boston gets back a young talent that some people are down on right now, but there is still a good chance he turns out good, also get a younger Ray Allen replacement at the two spot for Allen. Phoenix gets a good amount of cap room and a sorely needed backup point guard. I then assume we resign Marbury, and Eddie picks up his option. Baby is still a question mark, just just for this scenario I'll assume he gets resigned, as well as Powe. Then we sign Mcdyese

Rondo/Marbury/Pruitt
Richardson/House/Giddens
Pierce/Deng/Walker
KG/Davis/Powe
Perk/McDyese

I'd probably take it.

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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 10:11:11 AM »

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I think Deng is the guy the Bulls will trade but it will most likely be for a big man. I've read they will offer a package for Bosh but most likely will trade Deng for Kaman.
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