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PF/C the Celtics can acquire via trade
« on: May 28, 2009, 01:06:26 PM »

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Another position of need for the Celtics to fill this offseason is the PF/C.I compiled a list of players that the Celtics could obtain with any/all combination of Scal+House+T.Allen+Giddens+Walker+ future 1st round pick:

Eddy Curry – The Knicks would be willing to part ways with him and the remaining 2 years on his contract in a second.
 
Emeka Okafor/DeSagana Diop/Nazr Mohammed – The Bobcats have gone public with plans to sell the team, and to attract more buyers they will cut costs.

Erick Dampier – if Dallas were to get out of Dampiers contract they would be in position to make a splash come next offseason to the tune of $15 million plus in cap space (if they choose to decline a team  option on Howard). This is unlikely but possible, especially if Cuban wants to shake things up after the “06” peak.

Troy Murphy/Jeff Foster – This would be a good time to cut payroll, bank and continue to rebuild as the Pacers are still 2 or 3 years away from sniffing the playoffs.

Zack Randolph/Chris Kaman
– Blake will need minutes at the 4 which means one of these guys gotta go. It’s a good time to prep for next offseason, and ditching one of these contracts puts them $26 million under with the cap with the reining rookie of the year and solid veterans in place. They will attempt to move Randolph but will fail and use his 2011 expiring as an asset. The Clippers could actually be good soon.

Tyson Chandler – Hornets are looking to salary dump any way they can.

Samuel Dalembert – Wants out of Philly. The team ended is disarray last year with Andre Miller and Ratliff skipping out on the final team meeting. Dalembart has now made his trade request public.

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2009, 01:24:41 PM »

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Curry is a waste of space. 

Okafor isn't going anywhere for what we have to offer, and Diop and Mohamed are grossly overpaid.

Dampier is essentially an expiring contract (his last year is not guaranteed, and he needs to play I believe, 2100 minutes next year for it to kick in...not likely), and the Mavs will be looking to use him in a deal that brings then back a very good player, not spare pieces.

Murphy and Foster.  Murphy is making too much money with too many injuries for the C's to be interested, but Foster would be great.  We would have to really entice the Pacers to let him go though.

Randolph is a loser.

Kaman would be nice, but I don't think the C's want to spend that much money on a backup Center with injury problems.

Tyson Chandler - See Kaman

Dalembert - he may not have injury issues, but he is overpaid for a starter, let alone a backup.

A couple more I would throw in are:

Jarred Jeffries
Nick Collison (I think he is the best option of the bunch)
Joel Przybilla


In general, the trade options for bigs are slim pickins...which is why the C's should be using the MLE to find a veteran big man. 
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Curry is a waste of space. 

Okafor isn't going anywhere for what we have to offer, and Diop and Mohamed are grossly overpaid.

Dampier is essentially an expiring contract (his last year is not guaranteed, and he needs to play I believe, 2100 minutes next year for it to kick in...not likely), and the Mavs will be looking to use him in a deal that brings then back a very good player, not spare pieces.

Murphy and Foster.  Murphy is making too much money with too many injuries for the C's to be interested, but Foster would be great.  We would have to really entice the Pacers to let him go though.

Randolph is a loser.

Kaman would be nice, but I don't think the C's want to spend that much money on a backup Center with injury problems.

Tyson Chandler - See Kaman

Dalembert - he may not have injury issues, but he is overpaid for a starter, let alone a backup.

A couple more I would throw in are:

Jarred Jeffries
Nick Collison (I think he is the best option of the bunch)
Joel Przybilla


In general, the trade options for bigs are slip pickins...which is why the C's should be using the MLE to find a veteran big man. 

Pretty much agree in full.



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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2009, 02:23:32 PM »

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How about Etan Thomas? Wiz have Haywood coming back, and have been rumored to be in cost-cutting mode to the point of possibly trading the #5 pick.

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think Scal+Tony Allen might be close to it, once the new contract year starts in July.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2009, 02:37:22 PM »

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I agree with a lot of what Chris is saying... I used to be on the trade for Kaman bandwagon... but Rondo and Perk are going to become expensive starters in the near future... I really want to try to keep these guys.

On the trade front these guys seam worth investigating:
Nenad Kristic
Jason Kapono
Jared Jeffries
Marcus Camby
Darko Milicic

Could be others as well. First I want to see what happens with the MLE and then Baby, then we can check our trade options later in the summer.

I really think we just need some minor FA roster tweaks... a quality 5/4 and a quality 3.

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2009, 02:41:30 PM »

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I agree with a lot of what Chris is saying... I used to be on the trade for Kaman bandwagon... but Rondo and Perk are going to become expensive starters in the near future... I really want to try to keep these guys.

On the trade front these guys seam worth investigating:
Nenad Kristic
Jason Kapono
Jared Jeffries
Marcus Camby
Darko Milicic

Could be others as well. First I want to see what happens with the MLE and then Baby, then we can check our trade options later in the summer.

I really think we just need some minor FA roster tweaks... a quality 5/4 and a quality 3.

I considered the names above but why would their respective teams give them up?

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2009, 03:56:27 PM »

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How about Etan Thomas? Wiz have Haywood coming back, and have been rumored to be in cost-cutting mode to the point of possibly trading the #5 pick.

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think Scal+Tony Allen might be close to it, once the new contract year starts in July.

I thought about adding Thomas to the list, but for some reason, I thought I remember something about him having a career ending injury or something.  I might have completely imagined it though.

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2009, 04:00:26 PM »

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How about Etan Thomas? Wiz have Haywood coming back, and have been rumored to be in cost-cutting mode to the point of possibly trading the #5 pick.

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I think Scal+Tony Allen might be close to it, once the new contract year starts in July.

I thought about adding Thomas to the list, but for some reason, I thought I remember something about him having a career ending injury or something.  I might have completely imagined it though.

He believe he had surgery on his aortic valve to alleviate an irregular heartbeat (similar to what Lamarcus Aldridge had). I believe he's been cleared to play.

Edit: here's the latest article I could find on Thomas' surgery and recovery:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/marty_burns/11/06/thomas.wizards/

Perhaps he did suffer an injury since then. From mid-January on, he didn't log a single minute last season.
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Dalembart is the only one that interests me and I don't see him taking a bench role.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2009, 04:04:23 PM »

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I love to see us somehow get Joel Przybilla. If we don't sign BBaby I think we'd have the money to pick him up.

Also the one guy who career I thought was over, but put up some really good number halfway through the season was Kristic.
I think he's a legit center and would be a solid player off the bench playing either the pf or center spot.

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2009, 04:21:02 PM »

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Curry is a waste of space. 

Okafor isn't going anywhere for what we have to offer, and Diop and Mohamed are grossly overpaid.

Dampier is essentially an expiring contract (his last year is not guaranteed, and he needs to play I believe, 2100 minutes next year for it to kick in...not likely), and the Mavs will be looking to use him in a deal that brings then back a very good player, not spare pieces.

Murphy and Foster.  Murphy is making too much money with too many injuries for the C's to be interested, but Foster would be great.  We would have to really entice the Pacers to let him go though.

Randolph is a loser.

Kaman would be nice, but I don't think the C's want to spend that much money on a backup Center with injury problems.

Tyson Chandler - See Kaman

Dalembert - he may not have injury issues, but he is overpaid for a starter, let alone a backup.

A couple more I would throw in are:

Jarred Jeffries
Nick Collison (I think he is the best option of the bunch)
Joel Przybilla


In general, the trade options for bigs are slim pickins...which is why the C's should be using the MLE to find a veteran big man. 


Very well said Chris.
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2009, 08:50:34 PM »

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First off, we have to consider the fact that we're looking for a backup center, not a starting. Perkins has improved steadily every year to the point where he's now one of the elite defensive centers in the game and a passable offensive players - little range, not the best hands, ugly looking shot, but he plays within himself, doesn't try to do what he can't do and is breaking bad habits (i.e., he doesn't bring the ball down nearly as much as anymore). There isn't a guy proposed yet who could get minutes over Perk, so it's clear a backup is what we want.

Second, we're talking about trades so we have to think of what we're willing to give up in a trade for a backup center. Garnett, Pierce, Rondo, Allen, Perkins are all out. We're not trading a starter for a backup. If we were to trade Ray, the goal wouldn't be to get back a backup center. We'd be going for a different, cheaper, younger 2 and a backup center would only be somebody thrown in as an addition, so that doesn't really work here.

That leaves us with the following players under contract:
Scalabrine - 1 year, $3,413,793
House - 1 year, $2,862,000 (if he takes option, and I can't see why he wouldn't)
Tony Allen - 1 year, $2,500,000
JR Giddens - 1 year, $1,028,880 with $1.1 and $2 mn options for 10-11 and 11-12 
Pruitt - 1 year, $729,005 (if we take option, which I'm not sure about)
Walker - 1 year, $736,420 with 2 more options under $1 mn for 10-11 and 11-12

We also have somewhat of a claim on restricted free agents Big Baby and Powe, but losing Baby would hurt us bad at the 4 since Powe will be out until at least the middle of next season.

We have no first rounder this year or in 2011, and due to rules (can't trade first rounders in successive years, I don't think we can offer a 2010 or 2012 first rounder.

Seems to me that what we can really offer is expiring contracts of up to $11 million (Scal, TA, House, Giddens, Pruitt, Walker) and cash but disposing of all those guys would leave no bench whatsoever.

Tyson Chandler, Troy Murphy, Chris Kaman, Zach Randolph, Marcus Camby, Eddy Curry, Emeka Okafor and Erick Dampier wouldn't work for many reasons but most of all, they are all way too expensive. We have three guys taking us to $60 million next year, we can't have any $10-16 million guys coming off the bench.

I love Collison, but why would Oklahoma City give up a good young player with a very reasonable contract who fills an important role just for expiring contracts? Really, the same applies for Krstic, who also is a risk for injury and just plain flaking out. Mikki Moore had a promising season in New Jersey once too.

That leaves Jared Jeffries (NY - 2 years, $6,466,600 and $6,883,400); Joel Przybilla (Port - 2 years, $6,857,725 and $7,405,300); Etan Thomas (Wash - 1 year, $7,350,000); Brendan Haywood (Wash - 1 year, $6,000,000); and Jeff Foster (Ind - 2 years, $6,077,500 and $6,655,000).

Jeffries is out because he's not really a center. If this was about filling a 3/4 role, Jeffries might be a possibility, but no way at that money. I would love to get Haywood, but a) Washington has no reason to trade him - he's a good young player at decent money (his injury I think hurt them more than Arenas's and they are looking forward to getting him back) and b) all we can offer is expiring contracts, and his contract is also expiring. Thomas likewise is expiring, so our offer isn't much, but more importantly, he's not good. And while I also like Przybilla, honestly, I don't see a contender giving up its starting center for a pu pu platter of expiring contracts, none of which are centers or point guards, their two biggest needs. Plus, they're not desperate for cap relief, since they have a manageable situation and have the richest owner in the NBA.

Foster to me seems like a reasonable and logical target. He's still a solid player, but he is overpaid. And Indiana's owner is apparently in a bad financial situation, so a package of $5.9 million in expiring contracts (TA and Scal) could save them about $6.75 million plus whatever cash we throw in. Unlike Portland, they're not close to competing and so the saved money could help rebuild (they'd go below $50 million for 2010-11 so they could look at younger guys) rather than hold on to a 32 year old center with limited offense. Plus, Scalabrine and to a lesser extent TA might actually fit into their style of play so they don't lose that much next year.

For us, I think it makes sense because Foster is a very good defender and rebounder. He is very much overpaid (he should be making about $4 million, not $6) but we can overpay for two years to fill a need. If we got Foster and held onto Davis and Powe, I think our frontcourt would be solid, although we could use a 3/4 tweener guy still. But we can develop Walker into that or look at the draft, which has more of those hybrid type guys (I'm big on DeMarre Carroll of Missouri as a second rounder).
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2009, 09:04:38 PM »

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How about a Free Agent D league player like Courtney Sims. He worked out in Boston against Noah when he came out so there was some initial interest. He has looked good since then in D league.

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2009, 01:37:06 AM »

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Paintitgreen's post addressed most of my questions.  If Foster is available, I would definitely exchange him for our expiring crap, but he's definitely a few rungs down on my wish list.  When you have Rondo and Perk as cogs, you really need capable shooters in the main rotation, either to space the floor for them or to sub for them and space the floor for the Big 3.  I'd prefer Foster to Scal and Baby, due to his immense superiority on the boards and generally mistake-free play, but he wouldn't address many of the strategic problems that would face this team in the playoffs.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2009, 11:19:57 AM »

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Good call snively, a big man who can defend and shoot from the outside would be ideal, I'm just not sure it's out there, other than Rasheed who I think is an unrealistic goal (if he's gonna take the MLE, a lot more teams will get in on it, and I think he'd be more likely to go to a place like Cleveland or San Antonio where he'd get more minutes and be more of a focal point).

Truthfully, Foster is overpaid for what he'd bring to us or any other team since he can't give us that shooting but given our dearth of trade assets, our way to acquire anybody by trade is going to be to pick up somebody who is overpaid for expiring money. The thing I like most about Foster is he's a very good pick-and-roll defender, and is surprisingly mobile and quick for his size so he's actually quite effective on the perimeter. Now, he can't go out and defend a Rashard Lewis type necessarily (that's where we need a big 3 who can defend and hopefully shoot), but off the bench, he's a guy who could stick with a center or power forward who stays outside for 15-20 footers while Big Baby pounds down low with an opponent's post presence. Or if Perk is in foul trouble, Foster's ability to defend away from the basket could allow Garnett to protect the rim. 
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