My Ideal off season

[ScoobyDoo]

1. Sign Jamaal Magloire for the Vet min ( what he's making now )
2. Rasheed Wallace with the Mid level
3. Sign and Trade ( Big Baby for about $4-5 mil, TAllen and Giddens to Toronto for Shawn Marion). marion makes about $8 mil...
4. Von Wafer out of Houston with the LLE
5. Anthony Johnson, Anthony Carter or equivalent for the Vet Min
6. Re-sign Powe

Perkins / Magloire / Scal
Garnett / Rasheed / Powe
Pierce / Marion / Bill Walker
Ray / Von Wafer / House
Rondo / Johnson or Carter / Pruitt

I figure:

A) If we plan to keep Baby, we're gonna end up spending roughly $4-5 mil, Tallen is $2.5 mil and Giddnes is $1mil. That's about $8mil so why not turn that into the best possible small forward we can find. I love Baby but we need to win now and I'm not convinced he'll ever be a starting PF mostly due to his height. Perhaps Ainge and Marion have a good history...

B) Rasheed is close with KG and might take a little less to come win a few more rings before he's done.

C) The other signings aren't significant cap hits, LLE and two Vet min signings.

D) You're basically allocation Big Baby's salary with TA and Giddesn for a a small forward, using you're mid level, your LLE and a couple Vet min contracts.

I can dream can't I?   

[Gainesville Celtic]

Yes you can dream, but.....

1. doesn't Magloire make Blount look like KG?

2. Fully support Sheed @ MLE; the big question is will he "settle" for that.

3. Not sure why TOR would do this to help a Division rival. I do like Marion as a backup plan for the MLE, but I don't think TOR would do that. I imagine they could get more from a team like HOU, POR, WAS, etc.

4. Great idea, but he can get more from HOU, who I imagine would pay more to keep him than the LLE (only about $1.9M)

5. Historically guys like Johnson and Carter --- coming off a good playoffs get larger deals than the Vet Min. Their current teams would pay as much or more to just keep them. The time to sign Anthony Johnson was 2 years back when he was a FA.

6. I'm for resigning Powe.


I think there are some other options via trade --- specifically with teams that are near or over the lux tax to get a player for TA, Pruit and/or Giddens (all of whom are just lower cap figures for a team) and/or can have their team options not picked up.

[paintitgreen]

Interesting ideas, and yes, dreamlike, but here's how I see it. If we can get Sheed for the MLE, why would we need Magloire? A Garnett-Perk-Sheed-Davis-Powe combo would be just fine.

The Marion thing doesn't really make sense, he had a problem being the third option in Phoenix, why would he come to Boston to play limited bench minutes behind Pierce, Garnett and Rasheed? Remember, for it to work as a sign and trade, not only would Toronto have to want to do it (I don't really get it from their perspective either), but Marion would have to want to do it too.

Wafer is interesting. I wanted Carter last year, so I'd be on board for that. Don't see any reason to get Johnson. And I also am all for Powe

[Jeff]

Ok, I'll play this game.  My mind may change another 100 times this week, but right now I'd like to see the following:

Trade Scal/TA/Giddens for Nocioni.
Sign Gortat
Resign Powe and Baby
pick up someone to play backup point (if we can't find a better solution, bring back Marbury just for laughs)

bench:

1 - Marbury or better option, Pruitt
2 - House, some guy we draft in the 2nd round
3 - Nocioni, Walker
4 - Baby, Powe
5 - Gortat

and we haven't even used the MLE in this scenario - so either we have the option of using it on someone who looks like a bargain, or we can save the money for future years

[Cman]

Ok, I'll play this game.  My mind may change another 100 times this week, but right now I'd like to see the following:

Trade Scal/TA/Giddens for Nocioni.
Sign Gortat
Resign Powe and Baby
pick up someone to play backup point (if we can't find a better solution, bring back Marbury just for laughs)

bench:

1 - Marbury or better option, Pruitt
2 - House, some guy we draft in the 2nd round
3 - Nocioni, Walker
4 - Baby, Powe
5 - Gortat

and we haven't even used the MLE in this scenario - so either we have the option of using it on someone who looks like a bargain, or we can save the money for future years

I love it.  Although Gortat will likely require the Cs to dip into the MLE.

But let me add to the fantasy: Sacto buys out Scal and he resigns with the Cs for the min.

[Bankshot]

Ok, I'll play this game.  My mind may change another 100 times this week, but right now I'd like to see the following:

Trade Scal/TA/Giddens for Nocioni.
Sign Gortat
Resign Powe and Baby
pick up someone to play backup point (if we can't find a better solution, bring back Marbury just for laughs)

bench:

1 - Marbury or better option, Pruitt
2 - House, some guy we draft in the 2nd round
3 - Nocioni, Walker
4 - Baby, Powe
5 - Gortat

and we haven't even used the MLE in this scenario - so either we have the option of using it on someone who looks like a bargain, or we can save the money for future years

Sign me up!

[Galiza Ceive]

Ok, I'll play this game.  My mind may change another 100 times this week, but right now I'd like to see the following:

Trade Scal/TA/Giddens for Nocioni.
Sign Gortat
Resign Powe and Baby
pick up someone to play backup point (if we can't find a better solution, bring back Marbury just for laughs)

bench:

1 - Marbury or better option, Pruitt
2 - House, some guy we draft in the 2nd round
3 - Nocioni, Walker
4 - Baby, Powe
5 - Gortat

and we haven't even used the MLE in this scenario - so either we have the option of using it on someone who looks like a bargain, or we can save the money for future years

Sign me up!

Me too! And I dont think it is unrealistic. If we manage to resign Baby, Nocioni deal seems quite good for Sacramento. And I would prefer Pachulia than Gortat, but any way the Celtics would be contenders with that roster

[paintitgreen]

I liked the idea of the Nocioni trade idea last year, but I'm a little lukewarm on him now. I'd actually like to get a younger guy to fill the role. For what you'd have to give up salary wise to get Nocioni, I would consider taking Dan Gadzuric off Milwaukee's hands for Mbah a Moute or taking Morris Peterson from New Orleans to get Julian Wright. Of course, for any of those (including Nocioni), we'd probably need to come up with another couple million in salary to trade.

I'd like Gortat or Pachulia, I'm just not convinced we could get them.

[ScoobyDoo]

Why magloire when we have Rasheed in my scenario?
1. Because we can never use enough good big men
2. With perk and Magloire, we have the best muscle combo in BBall at the five
3. Players will not enjoy going to the rim against us knowing either Perk or Magloire are alwyas waiting there for them.
4. Because I think we can get him for realtively cheap.

I love the idea of a Perk / Magloire / Garnett / Baby / Rasheed / Powe /
We will crush people inside. But I agree Gortat would also be fine to me.

Marion: I agree on this, I was kind of iffy on Marion as well. Basic concept was to package some players for the best possible small forward we could get. I do like Niocioni as well, better than Marion. I like his grit and toughness. I think he would "re-emerge" in a Boston uni.

I like Von Wafer beacuse he's a gunner. Now, I don't necessarily love gunners, but we need offensive punch off the bench, he can do that.

I could use any decent vet back up and then have pruitt behind that for cheap.

So, in agreement and revised:

PERKINS / MAGLOIRE OR GORTAT / BABY
GARNETT / RASHEED / POWE
PIERCE / NIOCOINI / WALKER
RAY / VON WAFER / HOUSE
RONDO / VET POINT / PRUITT

If you can pull off a trade for Nocioni and sign Rasheed for the mid level...
The other signings > Gortat or Magloire and Von wafer are LLE and/or Vet min signings

[paintitgreen]

I get the Magloire thing from the perspective of him signing for the veteran's minimum, so number 4 works. But as for point 1, Magloire isn't "good." As for points 2 and 3, there is no reason why Magloire would ever play for us if we had Perkins, Garnett, Rasheed, Davis and Nocioni or Marion (either of whom would play some smallball minutes at the 4 in all likelihood) on the team, with Powe potentially coming back midseason.

Gortat is fine too, but you should be saying Gortat or Rasheed, not Gortat or Magloire, because Gortat is not coming here for the veteran's minimum OR the LLE. Even if he agreed to do so, Orlando would match the offer. He's gonna get well above the LLE from somebody this offseason so we'll need MLE money to get him. And IF for some crazy reason Rasheed decided to come here, it would cost the entire MLE.

I agree with the Marion thing - if he was a guy who would take a backseat, that would be fine, I just don't see why he would. Nocioni makes more sense, although I'm still lukewarm on it. Although he's only got two years left on his contract, so I would be fine with sending Scal and Tony Allen out in a trade. Giddens? I'd include him too, although I'm still trying to convince myself there's something there to salvage. But to get Nocioni, yeah, I'd give those guys up.

On Wafer, I think if House opted out, I'd go after him, but I don't see him signing for the LLE, he had a pretty nice run in Houston and probably made himself more than that. And again, to get any of the guys you're talking about for the front court, I think it'll take too much than we can pay under the CBA.

[slamtheking]

1. Sign Jamaal Magloire for the Vet min ( what he's making now )
2. Rasheed Wallace with the Mid level
3. Sign and Trade ( Big Baby for about $4-5 mil, TAllen and Giddens to Toronto for Shawn Marion). marion makes about $8 mil...
4. Von Wafer out of Houston with the LLE
5. Anthony Johnson, Anthony Carter or equivalent for the Vet Min
6. Re-sign Powe

Perkins / Magloire / Scal
Garnett / Rasheed / Powe
Pierce / Marion / Bill Walker
Ray / Von Wafer / House
Rondo / Johnson or Carter / Pruitt

I figure:

A) If we plan to keep Baby, we're gonna end up spending roughly $4-5 mil, Tallen is $2.5 mil and Giddnes is $1mil. That's about $8mil so why not turn that into the best possible small forward we can find. I love Baby but we need to win now and I'm not convinced he'll ever be a starting PF mostly due to his height. Perhaps Ainge and Marion have a good history...

B) Rasheed is close with KG and might take a little less to come win a few more rings before he's done.

C) The other signings aren't significant cap hits, LLE and two Vet min signings.

D) You're basically allocation Big Baby's salary with TA and Giddesn for a a small forward, using you're mid level, your LLE and a couple Vet min contracts.

I can dream can't I?   

dream away.

What I'd change up is getting Magliore and Sheed.  I think Sheed fills the critical hole at the 4/5 backup and will get almost all of the backup minutes.  Powe would get some time at the 4 when he comes back probably.

With that in mind, I like the move for Nocioni using BBD and scal and TA.  Nocioni would provide another backup 4 as well as backup Pierce.  Marion would be a locker room distraction since he wants to be the man--not someone getting 18 minutes a game off the bench.  With Nocioni and Sheed, BBD and Scal aren't really needed and been significantly upgraded--makes them expendable.  I'd like to hold onto Giddens at least another year to see what we have with him. 

If picking up Pruitt's option allows us to use him to sweeten the pot for someone even better than Nocioni, then I'd consider it otherwise Gabe needs to go in favor of a better vet at the minimum.  Pruitt's cheap and has been exposed to the C's system but he has yet to perform when given time and his offcourt incident probably killed his chances to return next year.  Marbury wouldn't be a horrible option at the right price and a full training camp under his belt. 

Perk, KG, PP, Ray, Rondo
Bench: Sheed as the backup 5, Nocioni or Sheed as the backup 4 depending on the matchups,
Nocioni as the back up 3, House as the backup 2, Marbury as the backup 1.
Powe comes back to bolster the 4 spot allowing Sheed to focus more at the 5 (Powe would provide the post scoring while Sheed is outside) and Nocioni can focus on the 3. 
The C's then have a solid NBA-caliber player at each backup spot.  That would be a scary bench since all 5 have to be guarded.  Get Powe to learn to pass from the post and he's got 4 shooters to pass to if he's double teamed

Walker and Giddens can learn from the bench and maybe get some time if Doc decides to give them some but they won't need to contribute which is key.

If Pruitt or TA are still around, they won't need to contribute.  There's 2 spots left, use one on a draft pick (if Danny gets a first rounder) and save one for the waiver wire in case someone valuable becomes available.

-->if Sheed or Marbury can't be had for reasonable money, substitute Mcdyess and a decent vet PG.  Gortat or Pachulia wouldn't be bad pickups either but they need someone who could comfortably slide between the 4 and 5 spots.  That's the critical skill Posey had that wasn't replaced--versatility.  Sheed and Nocioni will provide that.

[snively]

I wouldn't mind Magloire for the min.  He's still physical even if he can't move.

As for Marion, I strongly doubt it.  Shawn's a proven gold-digger and he's not going to go to a cold-weather team for small money to play back-up wing and average 6-9 shots a game.

I didn't get to see Sheed this year, but if his defense hasn't declined too severely, I would welcome him for the full MLE.  If he could hit 3s at 35% and step in for Perk in endgame situations, we could field an almost unguardable team.