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Ray Allen to Golden State
« on: May 25, 2009, 12:56:19 PM »

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I know I know but we actually need some personnel so we need to do something.

Ray to Golden State for Crawford and Maggette.  Magette would start at 2 but could be the back-up wing to Pierce we have all been wanting.  Crawford would be the first gaurd off the bench if he can beat out House for that role.  If he doesn't like that role, opt out.

I think GS would like the expiring to give them a chance to start over.  Magette is signed for a number of years so you have to be sure you like him (DA did court him last off season so I assume he does).  We essentially can fill two needs for one slot and then if we sign Glen Davis (I am guessing around $4M), we are pretty well set.  Crawford and Pruitt back up PG, Magette is both our starting 2 and back up 3 plus Crawford is the back-up 2 along with House and Davis backs up 4 and 5.  If you don't like Pruitt, waive him and sign another back-up PG and we are still under this years salary.  If Crawford doesn't like coming off the bench, even better, let him opt out and give us the $9M to work with.

Re: Ray Allen to Golden State
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 12:57:42 PM »

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Re: Ray Allen to Golden State
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »

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I second this notion. 

Ray Allen should not be traded...period...especially for two guys who have reputations for being black holes. 

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 01:02:50 PM »

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Re: Ray Allen to Golden State
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 01:28:18 PM »

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In no way will we want to trade Ray Allen for two chuckers/ballhog. Bad idea. This trade would eff up our chemistry. Seriously, we need Ray Allen if we want a shot at that championship next season.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 01:40:11 PM »

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Ray Allen is the new Wally Szerbiak.

Remember all those 'trade wally' threads?

"But Wally is a good player in the right system! He'd be a good part of a good team!"
"Wally's expiring contract is a huge chip!"

Ironically we traded Wally for Ray Allen...

NOTE: Not sayin Ray ALlen is better than Wally Szerbs..just saying there are some similarities between the way we approached both players in their expiring year.

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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 01:49:23 PM »

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I also think we should treat Ray Allen with some respect. He came here and gave his all, and now because he's "a trading chip" we should just ship him off for jack in return? We're the Celtics, not the Lakers. We don't use people.

(The same could be said for Moore and Marbury, but whatever, they proved little to nothing in Boston, which is very different to what Ray Allen helped achieve)

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I also think we should treat Ray Allen with some respect. He came here and gave his all, and now because he's "a trading chip" we should just ship him off for jack in return? We're the Celtics, not the Lakers. We don't use people.

(The same could be said for Moore and Marbury, but whatever, they proved little to nothing in Boston, which is very different to what Ray Allen helped achieve)

TP Maestro.... Well said

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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 02:06:20 PM »

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I also think people are spoiled with how well everyone on this team plays together.  To think that we can just sub in another good player or two for Ray and think that the team unity and play will stay the same is just not realistic. 

There aren't many players of Ray's talent who would be OK with coming in here and being the third and sometimes fourth option on offense.  There also aren't a lot of players who have the outside shooting game to still put in nearly 20 ppg as the third option on offense. 

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I also think we should treat Ray Allen with some respect. He came here and gave his all, and now because he's "a trading chip" we should just ship him off for jack in return? We're the Celtics, not the Lakers. We don't use people.

(The same could be said for Moore and Marbury, but whatever, they proved little to nothing in Boston, which is very different to what Ray Allen helped achieve)

???


Ainge has said the Celtics should have traded Bird and Mchale.


Ray was great, but if the team can make a trade that helps them next year and into the future, they would be stupid not to pull the trigger. 

Ray has been a Celtic for 2 years.  Not his career.




As far as the trade, not a big fan.  Two over payed players that have a history of playing for bad teams. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 10:04:15 PM »

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I also think we should treat Ray Allen with some respect. He came here and gave his all, and now because he's "a trading chip" we should just ship him off for jack in return? We're the Celtics, not the Lakers. We don't use people.

(The same could be said for Moore and Marbury, but whatever, they proved little to nothing in Boston, which is very different to what Ray Allen helped achieve)

???


Ainge has said the Celtics should have traded Bird and Mchale.


Ray was great, but if the team can make a trade that helps them next year and into the future, they would be stupid not to pull the trigger. 


That's my only concern.  If the C's could actually find a trade that would improve the team next year by trading Ray, I'd be all for it.  I'm just afraid that Ainge is going to delude himself into thinking that he can seamlessly keep up our current success by trading Ray.  And I don't see that happening.  No matter how well Ainge plays it, there will likely be a period of decline in a few years.  How long that decline lasts will depend on how Ainge plays his cards. 

As for a trade that helps for next year, I just don't see how it happens.  Part of the reason this group has worked together so well isn't just because they've all sacrificed for the greater good, but also because their games mesh so well.  If the third superstar on this team was a slasher or post player, I don't think things work out so well.  Ray has been able to maintain his near-20 point per game scoring average with far fewer plays run for him than any time in his career because he's such a great shooter.  So he's able to score points even when a play is run for Pierce, KG, or Rondo.  You put a guy like Scottie Pippen or Allen Iverson on this team who can't shoot like Ray, and several things happen.  First, their lack of perimeter shooting makes it easier for teams to double PP or KG.  And second, in order to make a guy like Pippen or Iverson an 18 ppg scorer, Doc would have to run more plays for that player, which would disrupt the offense and make it mechanical. 

And of course, all of this isn't even taking into account that if we traded for a younger player, the younger player may not be willing to make the sacrifices in his game that Ray made.  Remember, all members of the Big Three essentially had all their big pay days before they came here.  They didn't feel like they needed to put up 25 ppg to earn that next big pay day.  We can't guarantee that another guy would do that.  One guy whose name has been batted around is Shawn Marion, and Marion was a guy who wanted out of Phoenix because he didn't feel he was getting enough touches. 

Overall, it's really not worth trading for Ray.  Too many variables could go wrong that would waste Paul and KG's last dominant years.  And if they're wasted, it doesn't matter how good Ray's replacement is in 2-3 years. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 10:42:37 PM »

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Overall, it's really not worth trading for Ray.  Too many variables could go wrong that would waste Paul and KG's last dominant years.  And if they're wasted, it doesn't matter how good Ray's replacement is in 2-3 years. 

TP to Jon -- excellent post.  I don't mind Ray trade talk since somewhere out there is a trade for Ray that would make the Celtics a stronger team. But, as you point out, the risk will be great.  What we know is always more valuable than what we don't know.  What we know is that Ray, Paul and KG works.  That doesn't mean another combo could not work better, but it will be a gamble.  Danny will be very cautious about trading Ray and will likely only do so if a 'godfather' offer comes his way.
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2009, 10:50:40 PM »

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I also think we should treat Ray Allen with some respect. He came here and gave his all, and now because he's "a trading chip" we should just ship him off for jack in return? We're the Celtics, not the Lakers. We don't use people.

thank you for saying this.

we are the Celtics and we are still a different franchise from the others - even with the godawful dancers.

i want ray allen right here in boston - he is a celtic now. treat the guy right !!

also, we need him badly. who could replace his shooting ? next year looks like our best shot at # 18 - and that second banner for this group. work on the bench personnel and give these starters a shot at being able to stand eye to eye with the other three championship groups. they deserve that shot.
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Overall, it's really not worth trading for Ray.  Too many variables could go wrong that would waste Paul and KG's last dominant years.  And if they're wasted, it doesn't matter how good Ray's replacement is in 2-3 years. 

TP to Jon -- excellent post.  I don't mind Ray trade talk since somewhere out there is a trade for Ray that would make the Celtics a stronger team. But, as you point out, the risk will be great.  What we know is always more valuable than what we don't know.  What we know is that Ray, Paul and KG works.  That doesn't mean another combo could not work better, but it will be a gamble.  Danny will be very cautious about trading Ray and will likely only do so if a 'godfather' offer comes his way.
 

I've heard one potential Ray Allen trade that doesn't make me laugh as hard as a proposed three-year extension for Tony Allen: Ray to Sacramento for Kevin Martin and Andres Nocioni. And I'm not 100 percent sure I'd do that one. But it's intriguing enough to make it onto my radar.

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LOL  Ray Allen for two of the biggest underachieving knuckleheads in the NBA.  I don't think so.

Now if the Warriors want to discuss a Biedrins, Stephen Jackson package, I'm all ears.  Before you laugh, this is a HUGE salary dump by GS and a huge salary commitment by the Celtics, so my guess is that the Celtics would turn that deal down, not the Maloufs.