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some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« on: May 23, 2009, 01:41:18 AM »

Offline Bossco

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My brother constantly tells me that it was a mistake to trade away Patrick O'Bryant. He says that he had the skills to do what back-up centers are supposed to do - rebound, block shots, run the court and play some D.

I always counter his argument with the fact that it really doesn't matter much because even if that is true - we wouldn't find out because doc simply doesn't play younger players unless he is forced to.

POB didn't play much and so most people think that he sucks - a "stiff" so to speak. Well, I decided to look at his numbers this year - especially what he may or may not have done with Toronto. What I found intriguing was his last 3 games of the season.

W 109-98 @CHI 27 min, 4-9 fg, 3 off, 4 def, 7 reb, 1 stl, 3 blk, 9 pts
W 97-96  @WAS 21 min, 4-10  , 0 off, 1 def, 1 reb, 2 stl, 2 blk, 8 pts
W111-104vsPHI 18 min, 5-7 fg, 2 off, 3 def, 5 reb, 0 stl, 2 blks, 10 pts

Is it possible that this 7 footer was a guy who if doc had chosen to play him more and try to develop him could have helped us this year or in the future? We needed more length in the front court. Could he have been it?

I wish that coaches like doc were not so addicted to playing vets. When I see other teams with players like Orlando's Courtney Lee, I say to myself that guy wouldn't even be on the floor with the Celtics, but on Orlando, the number 3 seed in the east, he is averaging 27 mpg in the playoffs.

Come on doc! you got to use your young players more. Take some chances during the regular season and play them - the sky won't fall if you do ;)

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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 01:59:35 AM »

Offline Fafnir

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He had three okay games, take a look at some of his others. His best game of the year came in a game where his team lost by 20+ points.

POB was a stiff, he didn't show anything in practice with us ever. And when injuries gave him a shot to play he did nothing but get out of position constantly on defense.
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 04:21:08 AM »

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There was no evidence. He spent months here and didn't show anything except for some games in pre-season. He had great coaching, challenging players around (like KG's famous speech) and didn't add anything. Same could be applied to Moore. We needed size and both were major disappointments
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 07:13:33 AM »

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He was better than Mikki I can say that much.
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 08:48:02 AM »

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Quote from: ManUp on May 23, 2009, 07:13:33 AM
He was better than Mikki I can say that much.



I'm better than Mikki Moore.
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 09:07:34 AM »

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Where is the evidence, again?

Sorry, POB was not motivated to improve himself. KG must have killed his motivation in practice or something by beating him up so hard .
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2009, 09:26:45 AM »

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Quote from: KungPoweChicken on May 23, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
Quote from: ManUp on May 23, 2009, 07:13:33 AM
He was better than Mikki I can say that much.



I'm better than Mikki Moore.

No, you're not.
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2009, 09:30:26 AM »

Offline footey

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There are many POB haters on this board. I am not one of them.  I don't think keeping him would have changed our fate this year. I do think, however, that Doc should have been more patient. We basically cut him to create roster room to sign Mikki Moore.  Not a great move. We won't know if it was a bad move until a year or two later. If, as I suspect, POB plays himself into a decent backup center in Toronto, I will bring this up on this board. If he continues to be a non-factor, many others will bring that up. THis is a non-story for now.
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2009, 09:40:30 AM »

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Quote from: footey on May 23, 2009, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: KungPoweChicken on May 23, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
Quote from: ManUp on May 23, 2009, 07:13:33 AM
He was better than Mikki I can say that much.



I'm better than Mikki Moore.

No, you're not.
my little sister is.
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2009, 10:21:05 AM »

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Quote from: footey on May 23, 2009, 09:30:26 AM
There are many POB haters on this board. I am not one of them.  I don't think keeping him would have changed our fate this year. I do think, however, that Doc should have been more patient. We basically cut him to create roster room to sign Mikki Moore.  Not a great move. We won't know if it was a bad move until a year or two later. If, as I suspect, POB plays himself into a decent backup center in Toronto, I will bring this up on this board. If he continues to be a non-factor, many others will bring that up. THis is a non-story for now.
I don't think anyone hates POB. The guy is completely irrelevant.
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2009, 10:23:03 AM »

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Evidence Ike Diogu is a Superstar:

4/13 @DEN 41 min, 14-20 fg, 4 off, 7 def, 11 reb, 32 pts
4/15 @MIN 40 min, 10-17 fg , 3 off, 10 def, 13 reb, 28 pts

In the only two games where he got more than 20 minutes, Diogu exploded for 28+ points.  Those two games overshadow the rest of his body of work in close to four seasons.

;)
« Last Edit: May 23, 2009, 11:05:25 AM by Roy Hobbs »
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Re: some evidence that POB could have been a decent back-up?
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2009, 10:30:12 AM »

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You're kidding me right?

So you don't think that maybe, just maybe, the reason POB was the first player off the bench and got all those minutes during the final six games of the season might have been because Toronto was tanking so that they could move from the number 9-10 slot down to the number 6-7 slot in the draft lottery? Do you?

Odd that POB racked up DNP_CD's for a massive amount of games in Toronto or was barely used until the final 6 games of the season. You don't think that is a coincidence, do you? Your evidence that Doc was impatient with this guy is that a team that was tanking it's season to lower it's draft lottery position started using POB and he started producing when given minutes in garbage games? That's your evidence??

I have now seen and heard it all.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2009, 10:33:12 AM »

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My wish for big man project was DeAndre Jordan. Nice combo of skills and dimensions for a big.
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2009, 10:34:14 AM »

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Quote from: QuinielaBox on May 23, 2009, 09:07:34 AM
Where is the evidence, again?

Sorry, POB was not motivated to improve himself. KG must have killed his motivation in practice or something by beating him up so hard .
Yeah and I liked his skill set and thought he'd be a good project.  BUT he never showed the attitude to be an nba player.  Too bad cuz he has the tools.  If he showed the heart I'd welcome him back to the bench and maybe in 5 years he'd turn out to be a player.
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2009, 11:03:39 AM »

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Quote from: Bossco on May 23, 2009, 01:41:18 AM
My brother constantly tells me that it was a mistake to trade away Patrick O'Bryant. He says that he had the skills to do what back-up centers are supposed to do - rebound, block shots, run the court and play some D.

I always counter his argument with the fact that it really doesn't matter much because even if that is true - we wouldn't find out because doc simply doesn't play younger players unless he is forced to.

POB didn't play much and so most people think that he sucks - a "stiff" so to speak. Well, I decided to look at his numbers this year - especially what he may or may not have done with Toronto. What I found intriguing was his last 3 games of the season.

W 109-98 @CHI 27 min, 4-9 fg, 3 off, 4 def, 7 reb, 1 stl, 3 blk, 9 pts
W 97-96  @WAS 21 min, 4-10  , 0 off, 1 def, 1 reb, 2 stl, 2 blk, 8 pts
W111-104vsPHI 18 min, 5-7 fg, 2 off, 3 def, 5 reb, 0 stl, 2 blks, 10 pts

Is it possible that this 7 footer was a guy who if doc had chosen to play him more and try to develop him could have helped us this year or in the future? We needed more length in the front court. Could he have been it?

I wish that coaches like doc were not so addicted to playing vets. When I see other teams with players like Orlando's Courtney Lee, I say to myself that guy wouldn't even be on the floor with the Celtics, but on Orlando, the number 3 seed in the east, he is averaging 27 mpg in the playoffs.

Come on doc! you got to use your young players more. Take some chances during the regular season and play them - the sky won't fall if you do ;)



My advice: Don't ask your brother before you buy a car or a house.

O'Blount couldn't play. Period.
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