These Trades and Off Season Moves will Guarantee us at least 2 Titles

[BahamaBoss81]

This Ray Allen Trade&Moves will GuranteeTitle 18&19!!!
 by Nassau on May 21, 2009 2:15 PM PDT  0 comments

I know there are countless of Ray Allen trades out there so I am going to have my pipe dream as well but it actually can be achieved...The ideal trade partner for us is the Phoenix Suns:

Boston Trades: Ray Allen, Tony Allen, and Gabe Pruitt

Boston Recieves: Shaquille O'Neil

For the Celtics we would have the best backup Center in the league, one who will be able to move into the starter role depending on circumstance such as injuries and fouls. The Big Shaqrock (shamrock) or the Big Clover will be more than servicable I think for a year or 2 playing limited minutes. He had a rejuvenated season with Phonix this year.

For Pheonix they get as we all the one of the best shooters and classiest players in the league also a major expiring contract and Tony Allen ability to run on the fast break as well as Pruitt's defense should be able to get he deal done even if we have to add our pick in the 2nd round.

The Celtics then use the MLE or whatever part of it to sign Ron Aretst even if we have to make a pitch like around All Star Break last year when PJ Brown was the then target. Im sure a call or visit by Pierce, Garnett and Doc can get him here with the promise of a championship and great veterans that will make him part of the family. Maybe a 2 year deal with he having a player option for the 2nd year.

This is where it gets interesting as we now use the LLE to sign Grant Hill. Whatever money left should be given to Big Baby and Leon Powe and Marbury. Like so many speculated that Big Baby may be looking for a Big Payday but with the economy aside I cant see he  not signing and wanting to play with Shaq and since we can match any offer he and Powe should be signed.

I dont know what value the Celtics fans place on Bill Walker but the next move or Trade should be Brian Scalabrine and Bill Walker to Chicago Bulls for Tyrus Thomas. I dont see Tyrus Thomas value much more than that as he and Walker's skill set is similar and if its draft picks or cash maybe even Eddie House but that would be overpaying.

With the roster at 13 we then turn to Mr. Rasheed Wallace or Mcdeyess but I would prefer Wallace and there is no doubt Kevin Garnett could get that done and this is the only time other than what we give Big Baby and Powe will we have a luxury tax item and im thinking he signs for 1 year maybe 2 depending on his eagerness to be associated with such a dominant roster.

The Boston Celtics Depth Chart for the 2009/2010 season ias follows:

Rajon Rondo-PG     Stephen Marbury-PG            J.R. Giddens-PG

Ron Artest-SG            Grant Hill -SG                         Eddie House-SG       

Paul Pierce-SF            Tyrus Thomas-SF                  Grant Hill-SF

Kevin Garnett-PF          Rasheed Wallace-PF          Leon Powe-PF

Shaquille O'Neil-C       Kendrick Perkins-C              Big Baby-C

This team folks should be able to win atleast 2 championships when its all said and done and eventhough we lose our Jesus Shuttlesworth in all this chaos. This team can be had with the little that we have and isnt so much of a dream afterall. Let me know what you guys think and do i get Tommy Points here lol .....remember be nice lolol

[arctic 3.0]

i don't have time to break down the multiple levels of impossibility built into this trade...
i will say that chicago never makes that trade, the suns never make that trade, ron artest never signs for mle
and i never, ever ever want to see JR giddens try and run the point

[star18]

98-0 easily.  Any way we can add Tiger Woods to that roster also? Would be fun to watch.

[Fafnir]

I don’t see the Bulls giving up on Tyrus Thomas for Bill Walker. For all his warts he’s still an elite talent. What would they gain in such a trade?

Artest would require a full MLE deal at the minimum, and I doubt that’d be enough honestly. Plus if we signed him then we couldn’t sign Rasheed except at the vet minimum. Based on his demand for 8 million he wouldn’t agree to such a deal.

Shaq is too old to make an big enough impact to offset losing Ray Allen. We’d have no reliable two guard with legit NBA size and shot. Without a three point threat at either guard position our spacing would be awful and our offense would stagnate. Especially with Shaq camped in the paint.

This whole post smacks of fantasy basketball.

[BahamaBoss81]

To be honest what is Tyrus Thomas's worth i mean im sure Brian Scalabrine, Bill Walker and if we have to Eddie House can probably get him he has been a malcontent during his tenure there and inconsistent at best there. The reason Phoenix does this trade because off their style offensive that has defined then for years that is their run and gun , fast break style. I remember when Amare Stoudamire was complaining about not enough space in the paint for him and Shaq and the teams total unwillingness to play that half court style that Shaq dictates. Ray Allen also comes of the books I think next season saving the thrify Phoenix Suns a whole lot.
 In regards to Ron Artest he just said in an interview the other day where he said that when he was playing for money or making plenty money rather, that was when his problems began and that its not about money as it is about winning a championship and I just feel that Yao Ming isnt as durable as he would want to be for a whole regular season and grueling playoffs. Its always going to be injury to Yao and Mcgrady unfortunately and Ron would not only be back in the East where he would almost be a shoe in the Finals with this team if he joins this team next year but to be able to defeat probably Kobe and the Lakers in the process. Also on the third team you can substitute Grant Hill to run the point meanwhile Tyrus Thomas fills in at small foward. Trust me this team isnt as difficult or unrealistic as it may appear..

[BahamaBoss81]

Shaq would only play about 25 mins a game and with this team we would average about 40 free throw atempts a game could you imagine having to prepare for Rondo,Pierce, R. Artest, K.G, and The Big Clover aka The Shaqrock aka Shaquille O'Neil and like I said before Rasheed Wallace will only depend on if he wants to play with his buddy KG maybe for a year I dont think it would hurt his career at this point because we all know he wont be getting 8 million dollars a year and to be a part of one of the greatest Celtic team ever assembled has its lure. He would be the icing on the cake and the only unknown. In tackling our spacing i just feel like all of those players on the starting 5 will or can demand a double team and they would be able to create their shot especially Artest and Pierce...Im sure it would be a great rebounding team as well as top defensive.

[Quinn]

This would never ever ever work.
We'd need all of the basketball gods on our side, and i'm pretty sure we don't.

[Fafnir]

Shaq would only play about 25 mins a game and with this team we would average about 40 free throw atempts a game could you imagine having to prepare for Rondo,Pierce, R. Artest, K.G, and The Big Clover aka The Shaqrock aka Shaquille O'Neil and like I said before Rasheed Wallace will only depend on if he wants to play with his buddy KG maybe for a year I dont think it would hurt his career at this point because we all know he wont be getting 8 million dollars a year and to be a part of one of the greatest Celtic team ever assembled has its lure. He would be the icing on the cake and the only unknown. In tackling our spacing i just feel like all of those players on the starting 5 will or can demand a double team and they would be able to create their shot especially Artest and Pierce...Im sure it would be a great rebounding team as well as top defensive.

Artest is a bad offensive player. He turns it over a lot and is a poor shooter from the field.

You're counting on a many players coming to Boston for less money which is a fool's dream. You also really sugar coat how bad the spacing would be for that starting 5. Only KG and Pierce can shoot with any reliability from farther than 10 feet!

[BahamaBoss81]

Why wouldnt this work? I mean basketball gods aside I explained how it can happen I just  need to see why it wouldnt work. i am using whatever money we have as well as 2 trades to make this dream a reality...trust me Phoenix will take Ray Allen in a trade for Shaq to pair with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire with Jason richardson and Barbosa that team isnt bad. Ron Artest for 1 year is possible especially because of the the way it gets done like i said if Pierce, Garnett and especially Doc mae a pitch to him like they did for PJ Brown I can see Ron Ron biting the bait. Sign Baby, Powe, Marbury and use the LLE on Grant Hill and you have a team you will love and appreciate. Trade Scals, Walker, Giddens and/or eddie House for Tyrus Thomas because there is no better deal for him and we are all set believe me.

[Kwhit10]

Summer ='s time for everyone's pipe dreams

[MattG12]

If you told me 5 years ago the Celtics would have Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and Stephon Marbury on the same team I wouldn't believe you... but I would be all for it.

If somebody told me now that it would be possible to get Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Shaq, Rondo, Sheed, Grant Hill, Artest, Marbury, and Tyrus Thomas on the Celtics I would laugh in their face... but I would be all for it.

[BahamaBoss81]

Artest will be there for his defense and even more so even Rondo turned the ball over when it hurts the most but it isnt as if the ball will be in Artest's hands to run the offense as he was forced to do with Mcgrady and Yao not able to compete. The only person on the cheap really would be Rasheed.  Shaq and Tyrus would be thru trades also since we can match whatever baby gets on the open market there wont be any fools dream....and one thing i learned anybody can get cold and if that wasnt Ray in the Orlando series i dont what was...but we would have offense even if it comes from Pierce and Artest and Rondo driving and attacking the basket also Shaq for put backs and offensive rebounding....

[Steve Weinman]

Why wouldnt this work? I mean basketball gods aside I explained how it can happen I just  need to see why it wouldnt work. i am using whatever money we have as well as 2 trades to make this dream a reality...trust me Phoenix will take Ray Allen in a trade for Shaq to pair with Steve Nash and Amare Stoudamire with Jason richardson and Barbosa that team isnt bad. Ron Artest for 1 year is possible especially because of the the way it gets done like i said if Pierce, Garnett and especially Doc mae a pitch to him like they did for PJ Brown I can see Ron Ron biting the bait. Sign Baby, Powe, Marbury and use the LLE on Grant Hill and you have a team you will love and appreciate. Trade Scals, Walker, Giddens and/or eddie House for Tyrus Thomas because there is no better deal for him and we are all set believe me.

I applaud the effort and time spent to think this out, but Faf's points about the impossibility here seem fairly evident to me.  It's one thing to hope to get one player to take come for below market value to "play for a winner."  It's another when you start banking on several to take discounts.  It seems flimsy to me to act as though Artest coming here could be a done deal simply because the big three will talk to him.  And given the respective timelines of their careers, it's also fair to say that Artest's situation is completely different from PJ Brown's as far as location on career arc.

These guys can say whatever they want about playing for a winner while they're under contract, but it sure seems as though a lot of them end up going where the money is.

As for your claims about Tyrus Thomas' trade value, I think you're considerably off base there.  For a mega-athletic 22-year-old power forward, Scal and Eddie are throw-ins.  Among other differences between Thomas and Bill Walker (who you see as the crux of the deal), Thomas has actually proven at the very least that he can score and provide some help-side shot-blocking in this league, and to my knowledge he doesn't have the injury history that Walker does.

-sw

[MattG12]

Tommy Point Steve! I was going to post again and discuss the differences between PJ Brown signing with the Celtics and Ron Artest signing with the Celtics... but now I don't have to.

[Steve Weinman]

Tommy Point Steve! I was going to post again and discuss the differences between PJ Brown signing with the Celtics and Ron Artest signing with the Celtics... but now I don't have to.

Thanks, Matt...happy to be of service.   

-sw