What can BBD sign for? (split)

[nickagneta]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

[winsomme]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird right up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hpre that helps.

that does help me anyway, nick. thanks.

i was still unclear how we could protect BBD.

does "early Bird" rights mean we can be over the cap and still sign him without his salary being counted against any of the exceptions?

[LarBrd33]

BBD deserves Scal money.  Anything more than that then let the guy walk.

[winsomme]

BBD deserves Scal money.  Anything more than that then let the guy walk.

i'd probably go 5 mil or so on Baby. definitely more than Scals...

[Roy Hobbs]

does "early Bird" rights mean we can be over the cap and still sign him without his salary being counted against any of the exceptions?

Yes.  If BBD signs a deal for the MLE or less with another team, we can resign him and preserve all of our other exceptions. 

The only part I'm unsure of is this: Other teams can offer BBD a deal where the first two years are the MLE amount, but in the third year the salary jumps drastically. If that happens (which it won't) I'm not sure if we could match strictly using early Bird rights, or whether we'd instead have to give up our MLE.  Larry Coon is ambiguous on this, and I haven't gone back to the CBA to look into it further.

But, long story short, so long as BBD doesn't get an offer for greater than the MLE (in year three and beyond), we'll be able to match and still use the MLE.

[Fafnir]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

[Fafnir]

does "early Bird" rights mean we can be over the cap and still sign him without his salary being counted against any of the exceptions?

Yes.  If BBD signs a deal for the MLE or less with another team, we can resign him and preserve all of our other exceptions. 

The only part I'm unsure of is this: Other teams can offer BBD a deal where the first two years are the MLE amount, but in the third year the salary jumps drastically. If that happens (which it won't) I'm not sure if we could match strictly using early Bird rights, or whether we'd instead have to give up our MLE.  Larry Coon is ambiguous on this, and I haven't gone back to the CBA to look into it further.

But, long story short, so long as BBD doesn't get an offer for greater than the MLE (in year three and beyond), we'll be able to match and still use the MLE.

I thought after the first years of a contract you could only get a fixed pay increase of a certain percentage. Would that not apply in this case?

[nickagneta]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird right up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hpre that helps.

that does help me anyway, nick. thanks.

i was still unclear how we could protect BBD.

does "early Bird" rights mean we can be over the cap and still sign him without his salary being counted against any of the exceptions?

Yes, but only upto and including that max MLE per year salary. For instance, if BBD gets a contract from the Celtics where his yearly salaries are less than the MLE then his salary is exempt for all other exemptions. His salary would not count against the MLE or LLE. If another team offers him over the MLE per year the Celtics don't have the right to match. The Celtics can not offer BBD anything over the MLE as the are over the cap and any offers to Davis over the MLE are then considered offers to an unrestricted free agent without Bird rights and the Celtics would then need to be under the salary cap that amount of money in order to offer it. Therefore, this season, the Celtics are unable to offer BBD anything over that MLE amount that would not count against the MLE because of his early Bird rights.

[Roy Hobbs]

does "early Bird" rights mean we can be over the cap and still sign him without his salary being counted against any of the exceptions?

Yes.  If BBD signs a deal for the MLE or less with another team, we can resign him and preserve all of our other exceptions. 

The only part I'm unsure of is this: Other teams can offer BBD a deal where the first two years are the MLE amount, but in the third year the salary jumps drastically. If that happens (which it won't) I'm not sure if we could match strictly using early Bird rights, or whether we'd instead have to give up our MLE.  Larry Coon is ambiguous on this, and I haven't gone back to the CBA to look into it further.

But, long story short, so long as BBD doesn't get an offer for greater than the MLE (in year three and beyond), we'll be able to match and still use the MLE.

I thought after the first years of a contract you could only get a fixed pay increase of a certain percentage. Would that not apply in this case?

It doesn't apply in this case; it's an exception (in fact, it's the "Gilbert Arenas provision" that people talk about).  As Larry Coon describes it:

Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 24). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player's original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven't used it already).

The second year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 8% raise. The third year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first year salary not been limited by this rule to the average salary. Raises (and decreases) after the third season are limited to 6.9% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the maximum salary allowed in the first two seasons. In addition, the offer must be guaranteed and cannot contain bonuses of any kind.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

Anyway, looking at other provisions of Coon's writeup, he does in fact say that we can use the early Bird exception to match any offer to a restricted free agent, so it's a moot point.  However, it's important to note that if another team wants to, they can offer BBD a deal for greater than a typical MLE deal, so long as the first two years are limited to the MLE salary.

[winsomme]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

this doesn't sound quite right. are you saying that if a team with cap space wants to offer Baby 10 mil per, they can't?

***i see this was answered above. thanks.

[nickagneta]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

That's only for the first two years of the contract. Thereafter, they may indeed be above the MLE. I'm unsure as to what restrictions that increase can be, however.

[Roy Hobbs]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

this doesn't sound quite right. are you saying that if a team with cap space wants to offer Baby 10 mil per, they can't?

See the explanation above.  Opposing teams are limited to what they can offer in the first two years.  After that, they can give a huge raise, which might bring the average value of the deal up to $10 million per season.

[Fafnir]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

this doesn't sound quite right. are you saying that if a team with cap space wants to offer Baby 10 mil per, they can't?

For the first two years they can only offer him an MLE level salary, this rule was added so a Gilbert Arenas type situation could not occur again. Where a team that had drafted a player, had made his qualifying offer, and was unable to match the offer sheet.

[winsomme]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

this doesn't sound quite right. are you saying that if a team with cap space wants to offer Baby 10 mil per, they can't?

See the explanation above.  Opposing teams are limited to what they can offer in the first two years.  After that, they can give a huge raise, which might bring the average value of the deal up to $10 million per season.

yep. just saw that after i posted....

[Fafnir]

BBD is unrestricted.  The Celtics did not get a 3rd year option. As of July 1, 2009 he's no longer under contract to any NBA team.

Besides, do you see BBD as the 6th man on a championship team?  I don't.  I see him as a solid 4th big man.  They need another 6-10 or better player who can actually play.  They need another wing shooter and they need a backup pg who defends alot better than Marbury.  They might have had that in Pruitt if Rivers hadn't stuck with the underperforming Marbury.  Terrible decision, but it's Rivers who lost his bonus money, not me.

BBD is a restricted free agent as soon as Boston makes him a qualify offer.

All players that have been in the league for three or fewer years and have been with the same team and have been given a qualifying offer is considered a restricted free agent. Since Leon has been with the Celtics for three years, the Celtics have his Bird rights and he is a completely restricted free agent.

BBD has been with the Celtics for two years and falls into the Gilbert Arenas area of being considered an "early Bird" restricted free agent. The Celtics own his Bird rights up to and including the MLE maximum number. If however, a team offers BBD a contract over the MLE max number per year then, like Arenas, he will be considered unrestricted to accept that offer with Boston being unable to match, as they would at any number at or under the MLE per year.

Hope that helps.

Nick, per the Gilbert Arenas rule that was added to prevent good second round picks from leaving a team that wants to resign them he cannot be offered more than the MLE by another team. Thus the C's may match any offer.

this doesn't sound quite right. are you saying that if a team with cap space wants to offer Baby 10 mil per, they can't?

See the explanation above.  Opposing teams are limited to what they can offer in the first two years.  After that, they can give a huge raise, which might bring the average value of the deal up to $10 million per season.

So could we match such an escalating year is the question. Not that it matters.

No team is going to offer BBD 10 million a year in the third year. If they were to the C's would be wise to let him walk.