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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2009, 09:04:07 PM »

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Decent trade bait to season up a package with Tony Allen and Scal.
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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 11:24:16 PM »

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For those who are optimistic about Giddens because he looked impressive in the D-League, let me throw some cold water on you by mentioning this fact: Mikki Moore is a former NBDL Defensive Player of the Year.
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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2009, 12:19:28 AM »

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For those who are optimistic about Giddens because he looked impressive in the D-League, let me throw some cold water on you by mentioning this fact: Mikki Moore is a former NBDL Defensive Player of the Year.

Mikki Moore has had a 10-year NBA career and was even a starter for the better part of two years (albeit for bad teams).  If that's what ends up happening to JR Giddens, then count me as thrilled.

This is a huge summer for Giddens and Walker (Pruitt to some degree as well). They have everything to prove and gain. Otherwise, they'll fade from the C's interests and be gone.

I actually think it's a particularly huge summer for Pruitt - if he doesn't show improvement this summer, he could very well find himself out of basketball.  Giddens has a guaranteed contract next year, and the front office and coaching staff seem to think they've found something in Walker (I agree with them so far, even though he's raw).  Pruitt has no such luxury.
 

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2009, 07:48:32 AM »

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I actually think it's a particularly huge summer for Pruitt - if he doesn't show improvement this summer, he could very well find himself out of basketball.  Giddens has a guaranteed contract next year, and the front office and coaching staff seem to think they've found something in Walker (I agree with them so far, even though he's raw).  Pruitt has no such luxury.
 
Wouldn't the C's have to exercise the option on Pruitt for him to come to camp?  I'm not 100% certain of that but that's what I would think would need to happen.

I'm not sure Gabe's option is going to get picked up.  Every time he got some minutes he played far too tentative.  He's shown some defensive ability and his shot mechanics look good but he's never asserted himself on the floor.  With the C's need for a deeper bench, can the C's afford a 3rd year of developing Gabe?  Giddens and Walker are going into year 2 of development.  Not that the C's have a 1st rounder this year to bump Pruitt from the roster (not yet anyway) but how many years do you give a player to get out of the DNP-Did not Dress situation to dressing for games because they can play? 

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2009, 07:54:34 AM »

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Decent trade bait to season up a package with Tony Allen and Scal.
He just doesn't show it at this point.  I'd rather keep pruitt as backup pg who was doing a nice job before marbury and walker who i think has what it takes to play in league.

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2009, 07:54:56 AM »

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Giddens will be trade fodder this offseason if there is a chance for trades. Walker is a better option to get some garbage time minutes next year than him

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2009, 07:58:07 AM »

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I have no interest whatsoever in retaining Pruitt. He's done nothing in two years to warrant keeping him.

And Giddens is cut from the same cloth. I'd definitely throw him in a package - to put it loosely - to get some help at the 3.
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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2009, 08:07:11 AM »

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I have no interest whatsoever in retaining Pruitt. He's done nothing in two years to warrant keeping him.

And Giddens is cut from the same cloth. I'd definitely throw him in a package - to put it loosely - to get some help at the 3.
pruitt THIS year showed very good defense and at times looked real good when he was getting pt
he has no trade value, knows the system and we need a backup/3rd string pg with house pg/sg status

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2009, 11:14:33 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2009, 11:17:16 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2009, 11:18:23 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Agreed.  To me that lineup would be a disaster.  Also, of course, Doc wouldn't allow it to happen.

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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 11:51:09 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Agreed.  To me that lineup would be a disaster.  Also, of course, Doc wouldn't allow it to happen.

I don't really envision them getting much in that area that would be better than the potential Walker/Giddens have.  I agree that a couple veterans would be nice, but I do hope the two young guys get some legitimate run next year.


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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2009, 11:56:18 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Agreed.  To me that lineup would be a disaster.  Also, of course, Doc wouldn't allow it to happen.

I don't really envision them getting much in that area that would be better than the potential Walker/Giddens have.  I agree that a couple veterans would be nice, but I do hope the two young guys get some legitimate run next year.

What potential does Giddens have?  Keep in mind that he's going to be 25 years old mid-way through this season.  He may turn out okay, but I don't have high hopes.  I'd rather get a guy who is a proven contributor.

As for Walker, I'd like to see him get some regular minutes, although not as many as suggested.

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Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2009, 11:58:45 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Agreed.  To me that lineup would be a disaster.  Also, of course, Doc wouldn't allow it to happen.

I don't really envision them getting much in that area that would be better than the potential Walker/Giddens have.  I agree that a couple veterans would be nice, but I do hope the two young guys get some legitimate run next year.

What potential does Giddens have?  Keep in mind that he's going to be 25 years old mid-way through this season.  He may turn out okay, but I don't have high hopes.  I'd rather get a guy who is a proven contributor.

As for Walker, I'd like to see him get some regular minutes, although not as many as suggested.
Age doesn't matter as much as experience, at least I don't think it does, and Giddens has very little pro experience.

Given time, he could still show a lot of improvement over the next couple of years. I think it's too early to get rid of him.

Re: What about JR Giddens?
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2009, 11:59:33 AM »

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I think both Giddens and Walker will be very integral in any success the Celtics find in the next couple years.  It was pretty obvious that both Ray Allen and Pierce had just played too many minutes and were rather worn down by the time the Celtics reached the 2nd round.  They cannot do 36+ and 37+ MPG thing again next year.  Well, the C's drafted two players considered lottery type talents if not for character and/or injury questions, that happen to play Allen and Pierce's positions, and after a year of "experience" it's time they are given a chance.  I'm hoping to see a rotations somewhat resembling:

Rondo - 36 mpg
Allen - 32 mpg
Pierce - 32 mpg
Garnett - 30 mpg
Perkins - 32 mpg

House - 16 mpg
Giddens - 14 mpg
Walker - 14 mpg
Davis - 18 mpg
Mythical New Reliable Backup Center Man - 16 mpg


I certainly hope not.  They need some experience off the bench at the swing position.

Agreed.  To me that lineup would be a disaster.  Also, of course, Doc wouldn't allow it to happen.

I don't really envision them getting much in that area that would be better than the potential Walker/Giddens have.  I agree that a couple veterans would be nice, but I do hope the two young guys get some legitimate run next year.

What potential does Giddens have?  Keep in mind that he's going to be 25 years old mid-way through this season.  He may turn out okay, but I don't have high hopes.  I'd rather get a guy who is a proven contributor.

As for Walker, I'd like to see him get some regular minutes, although not as many as suggested.

He probably has similar potential to what Tony Allen had in his second year.  

Really, I just don't have high hopes for Giddens either...and there is no way I would count on him for anythig next year.

As for Walker, I agree completely.  I really hope he ends up being the 4th or 5th wing next year, picking up minutes during the regular season to give Pierce and Allen extra rest, but not being counted on as part of the rotation come playoff time, unless he absolutely earns it.