Smaller Players Do Not Win Championships

[crownsy]

History wins out again.  Derek Fisher and Rafer Alston are your starting PG's in the NBA finals.

Hopefully we don't make a mistake and vastly overpay Rondo.

A fan of the dominate big man + complementary player theory that I follow would agree, Gasol and Howard anchor their respective clubs with 2 commentary players around them each.

both teams that got beat lack such a big man.

LeBron is tall enough to count as a big man, and he'll win a title eventually.

Working on his post game is the next step he can take to improve his game.

mabey, but he certainly isn't anything like a dominate big in the post right now.

Also, i think we built in a "possible best player alive" rule to explain jordan's first few championships, im sure by the time he's done it will count for lecrab dribble.

[Fafnir]

History wins out again.  Derek Fisher and Rafer Alston are your starting PG's in the NBA finals.

Hopefully we don't make a mistake and vastly overpay Rondo.

A fan of the dominate big man + complementary player theory that I follow would agree, Gasol and Howard anchor their respective clubs with 2 commentary players around them each.

both teams that got beat lack such a big man.

LeBron is tall enough to count as a big man, and he'll win a title eventually.

Working on his post game is the next step he can take to improve his game.

mabey, but he certainly isn't anything like a dominate big in the post right now.

Also, i think we built in a "possible best player alive" rule to explain jordan's first few championships, im sure by the time he's done it will count for lecrab dribble.

Also Shaq was a shell for Wade's run. You need a strong front court, but having a "dominant" big isn't the only formula for success.

[crownsy]

History wins out again.  Derek Fisher and Rafer Alston are your starting PG's in the NBA finals.

Hopefully we don't make a mistake and vastly overpay Rondo.

A fan of the dominate big man + complementary player theory that I follow would agree, Gasol and Howard anchor their respective clubs with 2 commentary players around them each.

both teams that got beat lack such a big man.

LeBron is tall enough to count as a big man, and he'll win a title eventually.

Working on his post game is the next step he can take to improve his game.

mabey, but he certainly isn't anything like a dominate big in the post right now.

Also, i think we built in a "possible best player alive" rule to explain jordan's first few championships, im sure by the time he's done it will count for lecrab dribble.

Also Shaq was a shell for Wade's run. You need a strong front court, but having a "dominant" big isn't the only formula for success.

I beg to differ about shaq, he pulled doubles that whole series and let wade attack the basket at will. Whether wade made out on foul calls more than he should off those drives is open to discussion, but the mavericks certainly didn't consider shaq a "shell" and didn't defend him as such.

Also, are you a subscriber to the Pg being a completely overrated part of a championship team theory then?

[Fafnir]

History wins out again.  Derek Fisher and Rafer Alston are your starting PG's in the NBA finals.

Hopefully we don't make a mistake and vastly overpay Rondo.

A fan of the dominate big man + complementary player theory that I follow would agree, Gasol and Howard anchor their respective clubs with 2 commentary players around them each.

both teams that got beat lack such a big man.

LeBron is tall enough to count as a big man, and he'll win a title eventually.

Working on his post game is the next step he can take to improve his game.

mabey, but he certainly isn't anything like a dominate big in the post right now.

Also, i think we built in a "possible best player alive" rule to explain jordan's first few championships, im sure by the time he's done it will count for lecrab dribble.

Also Shaq was a shell for Wade's run. You need a strong front court, but having a "dominant" big isn't the only formula for success.

I beg to differ about shaq, he pulled doubles that whole series and let wade attack the basket at will. Whether wade made out on foul calls more than he should off those drives is open to discussion, but the mavericks certainly didn't consider shaq a "shell" and didn't defend him as such.

Also, are you a subscriber to the Pg being a completely overrated part of a championship team theory then?

He was a shell of himself. Just drawing a double team on occasion by a team that played a lot of zone and had weak individual defenders isn't being a "dominant big". Dominant is KG in 2004, Duncan during his title years, Shaq during the 3-peat. You can win with just a "good" front court. It doesn't even have to be good offensively. Just on the defensive end and the glass overall. (See all the Pistons title teams)

I'm not a subscriber to the PG is over rated theory though.

[housecall]

Rondo's agent is pitching for an extension, and this might be a good time to get him long term for quite a bit less than he'd command on the open market in a better economy a year later.

With Rondo locked up for sufficiently less than the max and Perk already a bargain, the C's could then focus on upgrading the size and talent of their front-court depth, because you're right they need to invest more there.

I dunno how much under max were going to be getting rajon for, economy down or no.

I had hopes that we'd get him for 7-8 mill a year for 5 or 6, but i think that bird has flown with his playoff performance and newly found Q rating among NBA talking heads who seem to have stopped dismissing him as "the lucky kid who plays PG for the celtics"

I'd be pleasantly shocked if we don't overpay and go 10-12 mill for 6 at this point.

I am not interested in Rondo at $12 large until he develops an outside shot and defends night in and night out. At that price, I'll wait a year.

Coachbo, i agree with you 100%...tp

[crownsy]

Rondo's agent is pitching for an extension, and this might be a good time to get him long term for quite a bit less than he'd command on the open market in a better economy a year later.

With Rondo locked up for sufficiently less than the max and Perk already a bargain, the C's could then focus on upgrading the size and talent of their front-court depth, because you're right they need to invest more there.

I dunno how much under max were going to be getting rajon for, economy down or no.

I had hopes that we'd get him for 7-8 mill a year for 5 or 6, but i think that bird has flown with his playoff performance and newly found Q rating among NBA talking heads who seem to have stopped dismissing him as "the lucky kid who plays PG for the celtics"

I'd be pleasantly shocked if we don't overpay and go 10-12 mill for 6 at this point.

I am not interested in Rondo at $12 large until he develops an outside shot and defends night in and night out. At that price, I'll wait a year.

Coachbo, i agree with you 100%...tp

I'll also b disappointed if rondo gets that much.

I would say 8 a year for 4/5 years would be what im looking for.

[indeedproceed]

Rondo's agent is pitching for an extension, and this might be a good time to get him long term for quite a bit less than he'd command on the open market in a better economy a year later.

With Rondo locked up for sufficiently less than the max and Perk already a bargain, the C's could then focus on upgrading the size and talent of their front-court depth, because you're right they need to invest more there.

I dunno how much under max were going to be getting rajon for, economy down or no.

I had hopes that we'd get him for 7-8 mill a year for 5 or 6, but i think that bird has flown with his playoff performance and newly found Q rating among NBA talking heads who seem to have stopped dismissing him as "the lucky kid who plays PG for the celtics"

I'd be pleasantly shocked if we don't overpay and go 10-12 mill for 6 at this point.

I am not interested in Rondo at $12 large until he develops an outside shot and defends night in and night out. At that price, I'll wait a year.

Coachbo, i agree with you 100%...tp

I'll also b disappointed if rondo gets that much.

I would say 8 a year for 4/5 years would be what im looking for.

Ideally 8 a year for 4-5 years would be a bargain and a half. But I agree, for premium money, he needs to be a premium player every night.

[bobdelt]

Ok



Take all the championship teams... and tell me how many won with Bad point guards.

You need a big man, and a point guard - theyre plenty of scorers to take the rest there.

Take for instance the Spurs - take Duncan and Parker - irreplacable - the rest are easy to find.

[Fafnir]

Ok



Take all the championship teams... and tell me how many won with Bad point guards.

You need a big man, and a point guard - theyre plenty of scorers to take the rest there.

Take for instance the Spurs - take Duncan and Parker - irreplacable - the rest are easy to find.

Parker wasn't very good his rookie year, certainly not consistently good. Manu was more imporant that year by far.

And every year imo.

[footey]

Two words:

Bill Russell.

He was 6'9", to Wilt's 7'1".  Final score: Russ 11, Wilt 1.

[guava_wrench]

There is no magical formula. Especially since so much depends upon matchups.