I want the Matrix, or

[POBstuntin]

Good looks with the article Roy.  Shawn Marion is a psychological study waiting to happen, the guy has problems.  If he wanted to ball for us though, I wouldn't complain.

[star18]

I know Monta Ellis isn't 6'9 he is just another guy I like.   About Marion, well I  know people can change their attitudes over time. If he's not interested, he's not interested however in 2009-19 maybe he would be.  Its a different scenario than 2007 or 2005.

[D Dub]

if I didn't hate the Lakers so much I might suggest Ariza..

[Steve Weinman]

Yes, but I'm saying after we got KG and Ray would Marion be interested?

During an interview a few years ago, Marion implied (but I don't think he explicitly said) that he'd rather be a superstar on a bad team than a lesser star on a contender.  I'm not sure if he'd be willing to accept a role on the team where he'd be the 4th or 5th best player.

Skills-wise, though, he's a great fit for our squad.  I just have questions about his attitude.

Apparently we are like minded in our Marion thinking Roy haha.

Haha.  You're right.  I had overlooked your post, and we see that issue dead on.

Here's the quote you were looking for, by the way:

So what about it, Shawn? Would you rather be a 30-point scorer and an MVP candidate on a lesser team, say, one only flirting with the postseason, than the sidekick to the sidekick in Phoenix? "Wow, that's interesting," he says thoughtfully, as if he's never entertained the prospect before.

Marion pauses nearly 10 seconds to concentrate on the question. Only the muted sound of late-afternoon traffic outside the two-story living room breaks the silence. He fiddles with the remote as if it holds the answer. "I've never been asked that," he continues. "That would be an interesting situation to be in, to really show people what I can do.

"But we'd be in the playoffs, right?"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=espnmag/marion

And that, along with the point POBstuntin makes from SSoL (a great read for basketball fans everywhere, by the way), is exactly why I want no part of Marion or his price tag in green.

-sw

[ben]

yes, take trevor ariza, he is very good

he only played for LA one year
considering Paul Pierce grew up rooting for Magic and the Lakers
and JR Giddens cheered for the Lakers to win the championship in 2008
its no big deal.

[Roy Hobbs]

yes, take trevor ariza, he is very good

Ariza has said that he'll never play for the Celtics, because he hates them that much.  Now, that could be a Johnny Damon thing, but I'll take him at his word.

[winsomme]

Marion, Outlaw, Ariza are the exacy prototype of a player that we need in our system, but like others have mentioned....they are all unlikely candidates to land in Boston.

If Marion had any Title pangs and would take an MLE deal, he would be great in that role and probably would get MAJOR minutes off the bench for us....probably in the 25 MPG area.

he'd also be a huge insurance policy for injuries to any of the GPA. if KG gets injured he starts at PF, PP gets injured he starts at SF and if Ray gets injured, Paul moves to SG and he starts at SF...

that said, the fact that he was unhappy on Phoenix because he wasn't the #1 option tells me that  he's just not on that wavelength.

maybe the fact that he hasn't been overly courted by other teams or excelling on his post Suns clubs (Heat and Raptors)...maybe he will see things differently, but i would be willing to bet that he is still looking for a spot where he gets big money to be the main guy on a team...

[moiso]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

[CDawg834]

Yes, but I'm saying after we got KG and Ray would Marion be interested?

One of Marion's big problems is that he hates to be overshadowed.  Seven Seconds or Less, the book about the Suns 2004-05 season chronicles this pretty nicely.  I highly doubt that someone who was so insecure with the idea of being a third banana in PHO would be comfortable with being a bench player.  He also said in an interview last year or two ago on ESPN (I think it was a Bucher article, TP if anyone grabs a link) that being the best player on a not so good team appealed to him. 

TP for pointing out the book that showed Marion's HUGE insecurity issues.  For example with the Suns dancers, when they would come out with player jerseys on for a routine, they had to make sure to have some with Marion jerseys on otherwise he would freak out.  Or when they had to go out of their way to acknowledge his birthday.  Don't think someone with these type of issues could be a 5th, 6th or 7th option on a team and be happy.

Not saying most people wouldn't like to be acknowledged, but by many accounts it was an obsessive thing with him.  Don't think I would be interested in acquiring him, especially given his inevitable salary demands.

[winsomme]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

i can see his off season playing out almost exactly like Maggette's did last year...he'll be rumored to be interested in all the contending teams for a MLE deal and then will sign somewhere for 9-10 mil and 4 years towards the end of the summer.

[ssspence]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

i can see his off season playing out almost exactly like Maggette's did last year...he'll be rumored to be interested in all the contending teams for a MLE deal and then will sign somewhere for 9-10 mil and 4 years towards the end of the summer.

There's a flip side to this: with so many teams feeling financial pressure and wanting to stay flexible for 2010, there's a very good chance he gets soft offers, especially considering his mediocre year in miami and toronto. Simply put, he's not going to be The Man on any team any more. Maybe he swallows his pride and settles for 'the key to getting the Cs over the hump again'. split the MLE with McDyess, and win. just saying, it's possible.

also, i was about the post a Travis Outlaw thread before i saw this. his contract is not guaranteed for 2010 so cap space is not really a big factor for Portland here (meaning, they wouldn't take Scal and a pick or something just to get space). not to mention that Paul Allen may be ****ed with the Cs for Darius Miles. but might there be interest in Big Baby there? they're thin at PF and stacked at the wing. sign-and-trade? Baby will likely make in the 4mil range, which is what Outlaw is paid.

[cordobes]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

i can see his off season playing out almost exactly like Maggette's did last year...he'll be rumored to be interested in all the contending teams for a MLE deal and then will sign somewhere for 9-10 mil and 4 years towards the end of the summer.

Where? The climate is different this Summer. I think Marion will end up (by order of probability):

- re-sign with the Raptors for a contract a little bit above the MLE
- S&T
- play for the MLE for a team that promises him a starting spot (LAL if they can't keep Odom and Ariza, for example).

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Anyway, next to Boozer, Wallace, Redd (the guy just destroyed his knee a few months ago, for ****), Ellis, Okafor and the likes, Marion certainly looks like realistic option. Although I'm not a big fan of Marion - even more these days, when he's quickly declining -, he'd be an awesome 6th man. Not happening though.

I don't understand why people like Outlaw. He's a taller and slightly better Tony Allen. Vastly over-rated player.

[ssspence]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

i can see his off season playing out almost exactly like Maggette's did last year...he'll be rumored to be interested in all the contending teams for a MLE deal and then will sign somewhere for 9-10 mil and 4 years towards the end of the summer.

Where? The climate is different this Summer. I think Marion will end up (by order of probability):

- re-sign with the Raptors for a contract a little bit above the MLE
- S&T
- play for the MLE for a team that promises him a starting spot (LAL if they can't keep Odom and Ariza, for example).

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Anyway, next to Boozer, Wallace, Redd (the guy just destroyed his knee a few months ago, for ****), Ellis, Okafor and the likes, Marion certainly looks like realistic option. Although I'm not a big fan of Marion - even more these days, when he's quickly declining -, he'd be an awesome 6th man. Not happening though.

I don't understand why people like Outlaw. He's a taller and slightly better Tony Allen. Vastly over-rated player.

Tony Allen can't hit the rim outside 5 feet and has the confidence of a 6 year old. Outlaw is bigger, a solid shooter and scorer, and has played well late in games. I really don't see any similarity to their game at all.

[winsomme]

Sean Marion being the main guy on a team gets more ridiculous every year.  He's a talented garbage man on offense.  That said, yes I'd like him as a role player for a reasonable salary- but thats not going to happen.

i can see his off season playing out almost exactly like Maggette's did last year...he'll be rumored to be interested in all the contending teams for a MLE deal and then will sign somewhere for 9-10 mil and 4 years towards the end of the summer.

Where? The climate is different this Summer. I think Marion will end up (by order of probability):

- re-sign with the Raptors for a contract a little bit above the MLE
- S&T
- play for the MLE for a team that promises him a starting spot (LAL if they can't keep Odom and Ariza, for example).

-----------------

Anyway, next to Boozer, Wallace, Redd (the guy just destroyed his knee a few months ago, for ****), Ellis, Okafor and the likes, Marion certainly looks like realistic option. Although I'm not a big fan of Marion - even more these days, when he's quickly declining -, he'd be an awesome 6th man. Not happening though.

I don't understand why people like Outlaw. He's a taller and slightly better Tony Allen. Vastly over-rated player.

well any more than the MLE is more than we can offer, but like i said, i think he will be rumored to a bunch of playoff teams for that same 6th man full MLE role...CLE, LA, ORL, SAS, BOS, etc.

Just like Maggette last year, I think he then will sign on a less good team for more money where he will have a starting role....maybe not the same money, but a similar progression i suspect.

as for Outlaw, he brings much different things to the table. First off, he's about 5 inches taller. Second, he can knock down the three. and third, he fills that Posey role of SF/PF.

how much better he is than TA is less important to me considering he would fill a different role. for instance, there is a reason you didn't see TA guard Lewis in the ORL series.

[cordobes]

Tony Allen can't hit the rim outside 5 feet and has the confidence of a 6 year old. Outlaw is bigger, a solid shooter and scorer, and has played well late in games. I really don't see any similarity to their game at all.

The most evident common trait they share is that they both think they're much better than they are and are extremely questionable decision-makers.

as for Outlaw, he brings much different things to the table. First off, he's about 5 inches taller.

Yeah, that's why I said he was "a taller and slightly better" version of Allen.

Second, he can knock down the three. and third, he fills that Posey role of SF/PF.

how much better he is than TA is less important to me considering he would fill a different role. for instance, there is a reason you didn't see TA guard Lewis in the ORL series.

Scalabrine also fills that Posey role. Just not as well as Posey. The same is true for Outlaw - he may fill the positional role, but that's all. Outlaw is a dangerous guy to have in that role, basketball-wise, because he doesn't have the mindset of a role-player. He's a low IQ mistaken-prone gunner with inconsistent defence - a guy who can create his shots but that you don't want him to do that.

p.s. - I really don't see any other team besides Toronto offering Marion more than the MLE, except in a S&T.