Rondo's value this summer

[MBz]

if rondo wants williams/paul numbers... there's the door. He needs to get a shot, and take some notes on leadership and attitude from pierce, ray, and KG, then we'll talk about a contract for more than $10 million per. [dang], Orlando got a steal with Nelson for that cheap...

I'd agree, Paul and Williams are super-stars, guys you want the ball in their hands for them to create for their team as much as possible.  Rondos not that guy and I'm not sure he will be.  If he wants to make the jump to being a superstar he does need a jump shot.  He's not a guy I'd ever trust taking a game winner.

[pengaloo]

Something tells me Rondo doesn't seem like the type of guy who will UNDER value his worth. I am guessing the only thing in that kids mind is max contract. SOMEONE will give it to him, so why wouldn't he. I am thinking trade. At full strength we weren't the best team playing and Cleveland will likely only be better next year as will the Lakers. We need major improvement to get #18.

I'm don't think it's fair to say that max contract is all that he cares about. This is what Rondo had to say when they extended his contract last year...

"It's a business," Rondo said before the Celtics' 96-80 victory over the Bulls last night. "I love the organization and we're winning, and that's what it's all about. But you never know; the GM and coach can change."

Coach Doc Rivers hopes to count on Rondo.

"In this day and time, teams change so much," Rivers said. "We've done a good job of identifying what our nucleus is. Hopefully, he'll be a career Celtic. This is the start of it; the extension is the first step to being a career Celtic. I'm hoping that's his goal.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2008/11/01/rondos_deal_is_extended/

[JAM]

I think it'll be slightly less than what Al Jefferson's contract with the Wolves was (5 years @ $65 Mill).  I'm expecting 12 million.

Regarding trade value: Until he is signed to the extension he doesn't have any.  A team would be worried he'd bolt on them.  Besides we can't trade him, he's too important to the team next year, and it's future thereafter.  He's a keeper - just don't give him the max so he has something to work toward.

[BballTim]

if rondo wants williams/paul numbers... there's the door. He needs to get a shot, and take some notes on leadership and attitude from pierce, ray, and KG

  Rondo's about 5 years younger than Pierce was when everybody wanted to see him traded because of his "leadership and attitude".

[CoachBo]

$8 or $9 million max at this point. If he wants more, I'll wait a year and see if the character issues are addressed.

If he wants a max deal, I begin looking to deal him.

[housecall]

Im one of the voters who wants to play the 09/10 season out and see where he is,why...#1.from things ive heard,Rondo does not like to take orders or follow coach's instructions well all the time.That alone scares me when a player has problems getting alone with his coach.Maybe this is not true or nothing serious,just a few isolated instances.#2.still inconsistent with his aggressiveness at times,#3.Inconsistent shooting from the field.He need to develop a in between jumper.#4he need to improve his foul shooting %...#5.I do not see the defensive player others see in him.I feel he is not comitted to defense as much as he could be.

In all honesty,at this time i do not see the star player others see in him.

[Mr October]

if rondo wants williams/paul numbers... there's the door. He needs to get a shot, and take some notes on leadership and attitude from pierce, ray, and KG

  Rondo's about 5 years younger than Pierce was when everybody wanted to see him traded because of his "leadership and attitude".

But Pierce was leading a crappy team, stripped down from the 01/02 run. Rondo has 3 hall of fame players to ball with. Very different situation.

[BballTim]

if rondo wants williams/paul numbers... there's the door. He needs to get a shot, and take some notes on leadership and attitude from pierce, ray, and KG

  Rondo's about 5 years younger than Pierce was when everybody wanted to see him traded because of his "leadership and attitude".

But Pierce was leading a crappy team, stripped down from the 01/02 run. Rondo has 3 hall of fame players to ball with. Very different situation.

  And Rondo ran the offense last year when we won the title. I'm just saying 22 is a little young to ship someone out for leadership issues based mainly on innuendo.

[johnnyrondo]

Here's an idea: Let's keep our good players. ESPECIALLY when they're only 22. No other team would be thinking about trading a player with Rondo's ability. Around the nation he was being lauded as our MVP during the playoffs, while here some fans treat him like he's Antione Walker reincarnated.

[TerreHaute]

1) We have to keep Rondo. In reality, he is the centerpiece of the future of this organization when looking beyond the next two years.

2) He and others might put himself there, but he is not in the Williams/Paul/Parker/Billips range. He can be someday, but these players control the game as a point gaurd should EVERY NIGHT. They understand their role as instgators for others first then themselves on both ends of the floor. They understand that they are ultimately responsible for the outcome of how the team plays, because they are the point gaurds. Rondo is not there, yet (offensively or defensively).

In closing, Rondo's value to this team is too great to find out his market value. There are question marks, however. My biggest concern is between his ears and his coaching, to be honest. He has to be willing to take instruction and learn the game better. That hasn't always seemed like a foregone conclusion when watching him play. Also, it seems our coaching staff has been reluctant to pull him when he is hurting the team. He is 22 years old. He needs to have the line drawn now so that when the keys to the car are turned over to him his ego isn't so big to hold the whole team/organization hostage by inconsistent/selfish play.

[CoachBo]

Im one of the voters who wants to play the 09/10 season out and see where he is,why...#1.from things ive heard,Rondo does not like to take orders or follow coach's instructions well all the time.That alone scares me when a player has problems getting alone with his coach.Maybe this is not true or nothing serious,just a few isolated instances.#2.still inconsistent with his aggressiveness at times,#3.Inconsistent shooting from the field.He need to develop a in between jumper.#4he need to improve his foul shooting %...#5.I do not see the defensive player others see in him.I feel he is not comitted to defense as much as he could be.

In all honesty,at this time i do not see the star player others see in him.

Well said on all accounts. He isn't a star - yet - and I'm not satisfied with ability to play consistently or aggressively night in or night out, let alone some of the reports floating around about his conduct.

I'm willing to reward him for his progress accordingly, with a number reflecting that he still has substantial work to do to earn a seat at the Paul/Williams table.

[pengaloo]

1) We have to keep Rondo. In reality, he is the centerpiece of the future of this organization when looking beyond the next two years.

2) He and others might put himself there, but he is not in the Williams/Paul/Parker/Billips range. He can be someday, but these players control the game as a point gaurd should EVERY NIGHT. They understand their role as instgators for others first then themselves on both ends of the floor. They understand that they are ultimately responsible for the outcome of how the team plays, because they are the point gaurds. Rondo is not there, yet (offensively or defensively).

In closing, Rondo's value to this team is too great to find out his market value. There are question marks, however. My biggest concern is between his ears and his coaching, to be honest. He has to be willing to take instruction and learn the game better. That hasn't always seemed like a foregone conclusion when watching him play. Also, it seems our coaching staff has been reluctant to pull him when he is hurting the team. He is 22 years old. He needs to have the line drawn now so that when the keys to the car are turned over to him his ego isn't so big to hold the whole team/organization hostage by inconsistent/selfish play.

Yeah, I don't think he should be rewarded like the best PGs until he becomes the best. I agree with a lot of your points though, especially that the biggest concern is between his ears and his coaching. But I think the coaches being reluctant to pull him out when he's performing badly isn't necessarily a bad thing. The kid needs to work out his mistakes. Ray and Paul don't work out their mistakes by sitting on the bench... if we are to expect as much out of Rondo as we do Ray and Paul - then we shouldn't treat him differently than we treat the Big 2. It's frustrating watching Rondo with the ball consistently stuck in his hands, but I remember hearing Doc saying that the intention is there.. even if the execution wasn't. So it's not like Rondo's out there intentionally playing selfish basketball... I think that's why they don't take him out.

My problem with the coaches is that outside of not pulling him out when he's struggling, they seem to baby him. I would love for Doc and the other coaches to scream at him whenever he makes a mistake.. that doesn't seem to happen anymore. They treat his confidence like it's fragile or something. In reading the news after a particularly bad game by Rondo, I expect to read about Doc saying how Rondo needs do this and that.. instead, Doc says something along the lines of how he thinks its his job to make sure Rondo doesn't get too down on himself after a bad game. Eh.

[BballTim]

$8 or $9 million max at this point. If he wants more, I'll wait a year and see if the character issues are addressed.

If he wants a max deal, I begin looking to deal him.

  I doubt he wants (expects) a max deal, but odds are pretty high that waiting a year will increase his price tag. He's clearly still improving and he's much more likely to get all-star consideration after his play this postseason.

[cordobes]

I'd be more worried if Rondo had been a high draft pick and his QO was as big as Bargnani's or Aldridge's. He's a good incentive to sign an extension this Summer or the next one.

And Rondo ran the offense last year when we won the title. I'm just saying 22 is a little young to ship someone out for leadership issues based mainly on innuendo.

I don't think the problem is about leadership, more about his work ethic/attitude. Arriving late to 2 playoff games in the same series is, to say the least, weird. But then again, Doc and Ainge are in the best position possible to evaluate how important this issue is.

[celts55]

I'm voting to trade him while his value is high. I know the guy can play. He's a triple double treat whenever he's on the floor, BUT there's just something about his attitude I don't get. He played great, all-star level even in the bulls series. Than he played like he was totally disinterested in this series. I can't even put my finger on it. It was just the way he was acting on the court. I don't know how to explain it, but it almosr seemed like he would rather be anywhere else. Maybe it's just his demenor but there's just something not right about it.

I think part of the problem/pattern is that he just wants to play at the level of his individual opponent. He really gets up for games against Rose, Paul, D Williams, Parker, Kidd, Nash, etc. Against Alston, he probably coasted a little more. :-/

  Orlando had the top defense in the league this year. Chicago had the worst defense of any team that made the playoffs.

So, is your point that it was the Magic's defense that was the reason he didn't play as well in that series? If that is your point I might have to disagree. If anything, he should have had a better series as Orlando doubled off him almost every time down the floor. They dared him to shoot. I didn't see it as the Magic's defense as much as some king of weird attatude he seems to get. Just watching him interact with the other players and coaches makes me wonder if he has some kind of problem with this team. I could very well just be reading too much into it>