Next year Ray is traded to Utah for

[Atzar]

This isnt a video game where you can just trade players at will.

First, there is the big question: what would we get in return. And the fact here is that the only teams who would trade for a 33 year old making almost 20 mill next year are the teams that are really close to a championship, and in those cases I guarantee we won't get fair value in return.

Second, there is the off court aspect. It becomes a lot harder teaching about ubuntu, unity, celtic price, and putting the team first when you have an all star put his numbers aside and really buy into the team concept and then "reward" him by shipping him off the first opportunity you get, because he played poorly in one series...

I don't think anybody is advocating trading him because he had a bad series.  I think the idea is that the Big Three aren't getting any younger and we need to do something to prolong our window at a championship.  Ray is the biggest tradeable asset we have, and the we could be in a position to take advantage of the market right now by making smart, aggressive moves.

With that said, I don't like this trade - Utah would never do it.  I just don't think Ray should be kept for sentimentality's sake - if he's kept, it needs to be because it's truly the best option to make us as good as possible for as long as possible.  I love Ray, and I'll remain a fan of his if he leaves Boston, but if Danny finds a good deal that involves dealing Ray then I'm behind it.

[dlpin]

He is not our most tradeable asset. In fact, I think there is absolutely no way we get fair value for him. The only way we'd get anything close to fair value for him would be as a mid-season trade to a team looking for cap space, and we'd only do that if we were already struggling.

Trading Ray Allen would really hurt the intangibles in this team: chemistry, identity, attractiveness to other veterans... we'd go from the team of ubuntu to the team that rented an all star to win a championship and then dumped him in one of the dregs of the league as an expiring contract.

We should get enough of a cap relief when he signs an extension for less than his previous contract.

[jaketwice]

This isnt a video game where you can just trade players at will.

First, there is the big question: what would we get in return. And the fact here is that the only teams who would trade for a 33 year old making almost 20 mill next year are the teams that are really close to a championship, and in those cases I guarantee we won't get fair value in return.

Second, there is the off court aspect. It becomes a lot harder teaching about ubuntu, unity, celtic price, and putting the team first when you have an all star put his numbers aside and really buy into the team concept and then "reward" him by shipping him off the first opportunity you get, because he played poorly in one series...

I don't think anybody is advocating trading him because he had a bad series.  I think the idea is that the Big Three aren't getting any younger and we need to do something to prolong our window at a championship.  Ray is the biggest tradeable asset we have, and the we could be in a position to take advantage of the market right now by making smart, aggressive moves.

With that said, I don't like this trade - Utah would never do it.  I just don't think Ray should be kept for sentimentality's sake - if he's kept, it needs to be because it's truly the best option to make us as good as possible for as long as possible.  I love Ray, and I'll remain a fan of his if he leaves Boston, but if Danny finds a good deal that involves dealing Ray then I'm behind it.

I like the idea of moving Ray for Kirilenko and Kosta Koufos: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dxqvgt

Kirilenko is really hampered by the Utah pick and roll system. And basketball is really a systemic game - at the highest level. Also, we need a big back-up with some offensive game, and Koufos could be that for us.

Like the poster above - Ray Allen might be my favorite Celtic, but he's also clearly the most mobile piece of our team.

[EvilEmpire]

Utah is going to have an interesting off-season, they have 3 players with player options this year. Boozer (12.6 mil), Okur (9.0 mil) and Korver (5.1 mil).

[MBz]

I don't see Ray Allen being traded.  I see them getting the most value at the trade deadline for him, but why would the Celtics make a trade then when they are already contenders?  Pulling him off this team will only hurt the Celtics' chemistry.  Also, regardless of when he is traded, you would have to replace him within that trade because first the C's don't have the money to pick up a free agent(unless sign and trade) and second there is no one the Celtics roster ready to step up.  I just think they would be better off letting him play out the contract.  Let's face it though, the only reason why these topics are coming up is because it is Ray Allen.  If Paul Pierce had 1 year left, everyone would be talking about how important it would be to resign him.  These guys are equally important to this team, Ray Allen should be resigned, for it is Ray Allen who will be able to have a longer career then Paul Pierce in my opinion.

[EJPLAYA]

PP and Rondo for Deron Williams and Kirilenko... Does that money even work?! Run more of the offense through Ray. Deron will me a more stable PG and likely more durable. Kirilenko gives us that defensive size we need.

I am afraid that I would pull that trade in a heartbeat.

[MBz]

PP and Rondo for Deron Williams and Kirilenko... Does that money even work?! Run more of the offense through Ray. Deron will me a more stable PG and likely more durable. Kirilenko gives us that defensive size we need.

I am afraid that I would pull that trade in a heartbeat.

I don't think Jerry Sloan would ever do it.

[EJPLAYA]

PP and Rondo for Deron Williams and Kirilenko... Does that money even work?! Run more of the offense through Ray. Deron will me a more stable PG and likely more durable. Kirilenko gives us that defensive size we need.

I am afraid that I would pull that trade in a heartbeat.

I don't think Jerry Sloan would ever do it.

Jerry Sloan does not really like Kirilenko. He does really like Williams though. PP has been mentioned in trade rumors with them in the past, so we know they like him. Jerry favors veterans, and if he thinks Rondo is close to the player that Deron is, I think he does this deal. He gets scoring plus veteran leadership, and loses a guy who he has been trying to get rid of for awhile. Keep in mind though it isn't Jerry, but Kevin O'connor that makes these decisions. Jerry has input, but he lets them do their thing.

[MBz]

Right, but then we remember that Deron Williams is only 24 years old, and has a chance to be one of the greatest point guards of all time.  They can go out and get a wing player as good as Pierce in other ways, they could trade Boozer and resign Milsap.  They could trade Kirilenko for another wing, but I think Deron Williams is pretty untouchable.  Personally I think his trade value is right below Wade, LeBron, and Kobe.  You just wouldn't trade a guy that good.

[cornbreadsmart]

kirilenko is a cancer.

[Who]

I don't understand the interest in Kirilenko. He's only a high end player, and a weak one at that, when he's allowed to play power forward.

[greg683x]

I like Brewer a lot, and Boozer is obviously a good player.  However, I don't think that that combination would be a good fit for the Celtics.  Brewer would leave us with two players in the back court who can't consistently shoot, especially from distance.  Boozer (who would have to agree to come here in a sign-and-trade) wouldn't be happy backing up KG or Perk.

As for Utah, I see no motivation for them.  This deal leaves them with an older player not in their long-term plans, and no financial flexibility. 

Now, if the trade was for Kirilenko, it makes more sense for Utah, as they can shave a year off his terrible deal.  However, I want no part of AK47 and his perpetual whining.  He's the anti-ubuntu.

Perpetual means continuing or everlasting..I recall once during the off season he complained.  Never before then, never after from what I'm aware of, so to use perpetual there doesn't make sense.  Sorry, I'm a big AK47 fan, and other players have complained way more and don't get nearly as bad a rep. Not calling you out R.H. but perpetual wasn't the right word to use. Headcase for sure might have been better, but I see the point you were making at least.   I think he'd fit in well off the bench here but obviously I wouldn't give up Ray for him. 

I honestly am not a fan of trading Ray unless it were the almost perfect deal, which I don't see happening. 

argueing between perpetual whiner and headcase kind of misses the point.  You obviously agree that AK47 is headcase.  Do you really want to trade Ray Allen for a headcase, whether it's AK or someone else.  This three superstars forumla worked for us b/c we ended up with three guys, who were classy, prepared to put their personal agendas on the backburner, and all had one common goal.  If we're gonna trade Ray we need to make sure we bring back in a player who fits that same mold personality wise.  It's not like we discovered plutonium(sp?) here with the whole Big Three idea, theres lots of other teams that have tried combining stars on a team and not everyone was on the same page.  Obviously bringing in a headcase who has complained about not being able to play the game the way HE WANTS to play it, doesnt really fit that bill.

[Chief]

He is not our most tradeable asset. In fact, I think there is absolutely no way we get fair value for him. The only way we'd get anything close to fair value for him would be as a mid-season trade to a team looking for cap space, and we'd only do that if we were already struggling.

Trading Ray Allen would really hurt the intangibles in this team: chemistry, identity, attractiveness to other veterans... we'd go from the team of ubuntu to the team that rented an all star to win a championship and then dumped him in one of the dregs of the league as an expiring contract.

We should get enough of a cap relief when he signs an extension for less than his previous contract.

How valuable do you think Ray is on just skills alone? I personally think he's not even low level all-star quality anymore. Yes, he can still have a big game here and there but not enough to get paid $17 million anymore.If Danny can get a good starter and some bench depth, I'm all in. I've heard from Bulls fans that Deng is most likely available. I do that deal.

[ToppersBsktball10]

dude boozer blocked something like 7 shots this year plus who would play sg? brewer has absoulutly no jumper and kirlenkos like a stick very bad idea

[Who]

How valuable do you think Ray is on just skills alone? I personally think he's not even low level all-star quality anymore.

I don't think Ray Allen is an All-Star caliber player either.