Moving Screens - Most Inconsistently Called Offense

[DivingCowens]

DISCLAIMER:  THIS IS NOT A "BASH THE REFS" THREAD.  THIS IS MERELY AN OBSERVATION REGARDING WHAT USED TO BE A VERY EASY CALL TO MAKE WHICH HAS BEEN ERODED TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS BECOME THE MOST INCONSISTENT CALL IN THE LEAGUE.

I must have missed the memo, but when did a moving screen change from having to have your feet planted and your arms at your sides/front of body?  Perkins and BBD get called for moving screens if they take even a slight motion to the side at the top of the key.

Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Superman can literally waft back and forth across the top of the key and stalk the defender for half of the shot clock before the PG finally chooses to take the pick.  Is this pi$$ing anyone else off? 

On that one play, not only DIDN'T they call a moving screen, but they actually called a blocking foul on Eddie House... they guy who got clobbered by the Dwight Howard screen!  (did I mention that House is half of Howard's size?  No, well he is)

To not call the moving screen is one thing, but it was a whole different kind of stupid to call the blocking foul.

Anyways, that rule used to be so easy that schoolkids were taught how to comply with the rules.  Now, it is really just a joke in that some players are allowed to set them in whatever manner they please and nothing short of thrusting a shoulder or elbow into a guy will get the moving screen called.  It just so happens that the main beneficiary of this trend is the starting C of our opponent.

Just fodder for discussion.  No particular ref is worse than others with regard to this.

[BballTim]

  Howard could easily foul out in a quarter if they called him for moving picks, and Rashard is barely better. What's worse is when he leans into the picks to hit people harder, like he did to Pierce twice the other night.

[get_banners]

i just wish they'd call it fairly consistently. and if you move and throw your elbows out, like howard, you have to call it. somebody can get seriously injured with that.

[Fafnir]

Everyone in the Magic/Celtic series sets moving screens. Because the officials aren't calling it consistently it is a guessing game on what they will let you get away with. Usually they won't let you lean into a player too badly, but sometimes they let it go.

The biggest illegal screen of the night was Perk's on Ray Allen's game winning three point shot. He wasn't even close to being set on the baseline!

[markketch]

Both teams have set a lot of moving screens in this series, and many of them have not been called.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

DISCLAIMER:  THIS IS NOT A "BASH THE REFS" THREAD.  THIS IS MERELY AN OBSERVATION REGARDING WHAT USED TO BE A VERY EASY CALL TO MAKE WHICH HAS BEEN ERODED TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS BECOME THE MOST INCONSISTENT CALL IN THE LEAGUE.

I must have missed the memo, but when did a moving screen change from having to have your feet planted and your arms at your sides/front of body?  Perkins and BBD get called for moving screens if they take even a slight motion to the side at the top of the key.

Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Superman can literally waft back and forth across the top of the key and stalk the defender for half of the shot clock before the PG finally chooses to take the pick.  Is this pi$$ing anyone else off? 

On that one play, not only DIDN'T they call a moving screen, but they actually called a blocking foul on Eddie House... they guy who got clobbered by the Dwight Howard screen!  (did I mention that House is half of Howard's size?  No, well he is)

To not call the moving screen is one thing, but it was a whole different kind of stupid to call the blocking foul.

Anyways, that rule used to be so easy that schoolkids were taught how to comply with the rules.  Now, it is really just a joke in that some players are allowed to set them in whatever manner they please and nothing short of thrusting a shoulder or elbow into a guy will get the moving screen called.  It just so happens that the main beneficiary of this trend is the starting C of our opponent.

Just fodder for discussion.  No particular ref is worse than others with regard to this.

Cowens,

Great thread/issue raised. I completely agree with all that you've said and I'd simply like to add how sad it is that PG are basically pressured to FLOP in order for the refs to make the proper call on the moving screen (aka offensive foul). I think Rondo's really got to sell the moving-screen violation by FLOPPING a bit more. A sad truth but I want to win tomorrow night. My heart can't handle another game 7 (unless it's in ClE OR LA).

[crownsy]

Both teams have set a lot of moving screens in this series, and many of them have not been called.

Right, and that's his point. The moving screen is the most inconstantly called foul across the league, and it needs to be addressed.

Some nights, you can get away with murder and destroy the opposing PG while others if you flinch when the PG hits you, its called a moving screen.

IT's become hard to tell what will be a moving screen, for players as well as fans. some guys set screens that are quite clearly moving picks, and its not called. others barley move and it's called. IT makes no sense on some nights.

[fairweatherfan]

DISCLAIMER:  THIS IS NOT A "BASH THE REFS" THREAD.  THIS IS MERELY AN OBSERVATION REGARDING WHAT USED TO BE A VERY EASY CALL TO MAKE WHICH HAS BEEN ERODED TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS BECOME THE MOST INCONSISTENT CALL IN THE LEAGUE.

I must have missed the memo, but when did a moving screen change from having to have your feet planted and your arms at your sides/front of body?  Perkins and BBD get called for moving screens if they take even a slight motion to the side at the top of the key.

Meanwhile, in Metropolis, Superman can literally waft back and forth across the top of the key and stalk the defender for half of the shot clock before the PG finally chooses to take the pick.  Is this pi$$ing anyone else off? 

On that one play, not only DIDN'T they call a moving screen, but they actually called a blocking foul on Eddie House... they guy who got clobbered by the Dwight Howard screen!  (did I mention that House is half of Howard's size?  No, well he is)

To not call the moving screen is one thing, but it was a whole different kind of stupid to call the blocking foul.

Anyways, that rule used to be so easy that schoolkids were taught how to comply with the rules.  Now, it is really just a joke in that some players are allowed to set them in whatever manner they please and nothing short of thrusting a shoulder or elbow into a guy will get the moving screen called.  It just so happens that the main beneficiary of this trend is the starting C of our opponent.

Just fodder for discussion.  No particular ref is worse than others with regard to this.

Cowens,

Great thread/issue raised. I completely agree with all that you've said and I'd simply like to add how sad it is that PG are basically pressured to FLOP in order for the refs to make the proper call on the moving screen (aka offensive foul). I think Rondo's really got to sell the moving-screen violation by FLOPPING a bit more. A sad truth but I want to win tomorrow night. My heart can't handle another game 7 (unless it's in ClE OR LA).

That's a great secondary point - one of my big problems with how the game is called is that flopping is now almost mandatory to have any chance at getting entire classes of calls (moving screens, charges, shoves on rebounds, etc).  This sucks because:

- the fouled player has to exaggerate contact, which is embarrassing to see and hurts the quality of the game - this isn't soccer, and shouldn't be
- the player who flops takes himself out of the play for a few seconds if the call isn't made, often giving up easy baskets.

People complain a lot about players flopping, but a lot of this has to do with how the game is whistled these days.

[markketch]

Right, and that's his point. The moving screen is the most inconstantly called foul across the league, and it needs to be addressed.

Yes, I know. I was agreeing with that very sentiment.