Guess Who's Back-Starbury / Was this the Marbury game Doc kept mentioning? (merged)

[droopdog7]

Obviously Marbury came up huge last night but he won't be back until he can string two or three good games together.  If he struggles again next game, we'll be right back at square one. 

And to me, the key more than anything is his jumper.  I think he still has the explosiveness but the fact that Marbury is nto shooting well is making it difficult for him to drive by his man.  Once (if?) he starts to hit the shot consistently, he will be able to get to the hole at will.

[QuinielaBox]

You know, it takes about 30 games to get your timing back in professional sports. Marbury has been sat out for over an NBA season. I think he had been handicapped by lack of playing time but he could be an effective weapon going forward.

If employee #9 continues to struggle, why not use employee #8 for a change of pass.

[BballTim]

  The thing that worries me about Marbury is that he's frequently reluctant to shoot, but after he hits a few he turns into a black hole.

[crownsy]

  The thing that worries me about Marbury is that he's frequently reluctant to shoot, but after he hits a few he turns into a black hole.

I dunno, he made two excellent passes during his out burst, one to baby in the lane and annother to ray where ray missed the three. I thought he was lookign for his shot, sure, but isn't that what we want, for him to attack thinking to score not to pass, but passing when it presents itself?

[droopdog7]

  The thing that worries me about Marbury is that he's frequently reluctant to shoot, but after he hits a few he turns into a black hole.

He's taking what the defense gives him.

[muddy02]

there's 4 pages here and i didn't read them all so sorry if it's been said already.

Did anyone else get the impression that in the timeout before Marbury's run, it went something like this:

Doc:  "Ok steph, we're gonna try something new here.  When we get out there, we're gonna let you go one on one with your man cause he can't defend you.  I want you try to score on your own.  And then i want you do it again.  We're not gonna run any plays, i want you to do what you do best, i want you to keep doing it until you don't score.   If you hit a shot, take another one.  If you hit that one, do it again.  Everyone else clear out the middle."

I think this was a great move by doc, cause nothing else was working.  Pierce was getting 2 guys on him the minute he touched the ball, even 40 feet from the hoop.

This was the game changer.  Not the fact that Marbury came up huge, that goes without saying.

But the TO, plus Doc's decision to say, ok, show me what you got, and took off the leash.  I really think all he needed was the reassurance that it's what Doc wants, instead of "shooting in the flow of the game."  There's still reprecussions for screwing that up.  This way, he was TOLD to shoot, and had way more confidence.  It was equivalent to a shot of Nitrous.

[vagrantwade]

  The thing that worries me about Marbury is that he's frequently reluctant to shoot, but after he hits a few he turns into a black hole.

So do you want him to shoot when he is given the shot by the Magic, or pass?

If he passes, we say it is because he's afraid. But regardless, he made passes. The magic basically challenged him to score.

Also, on that 6th shot that was a missed layup, it could have easily been a foul called on Howard. Then he would have been 5 for 5 with possibly 14 points in the 4th. Yeesh.

[muddy02]

i agree that in the normal roll of our PG in doc's offense, the PG is supposed to penetrate and dish/kick out, or swing the ball and find people running off picks. 

But i think a lot can be said for making a conscious decision to take those shots like he did.  He would not have done that without Doc's instruction, and i think it was a much needed, clearly defined, kick in the ass.

Big props to Doc for having the balls to do that, and props to Steph for stepping up.

[vagrantwade]

i agree that in the normal roll of our PG in doc's offense, the PG is supposed to penetrate and dish/kick out, or swing the ball and find people running off picks. 

But i think a lot can be said for making a conscious decision to take those shots like he did.  He would not have done that without Doc's instruction, and i think it was a much needed, clearly defined, kick in the ass.

Big props to Doc for having the balls to do that, and props to Steph for stepping up.

The magic haven't been leaving our wing guys open this entire series.

Ask Ray Allen. We have gotten some shots off screens though.

[muddy02]

yea, that's why it too an in game adjustment from Doc to try something totally out of our element with Steph.  And it worked, cause we've never really had a PG like him before.  Eddie needs a pick, and Rondo can't shoot.  Sam Casell did it, but he needed to be in the post.

[vagrantwade]

yea, that's why it too an in game adjustment from Doc to try something totally out of our element with Steph.  And it worked, cause we've never really had a PG like him before.  Eddie needs a pick, and Rondo can't shoot.  Sam Casell did it, but he needed to be in the post.

Agreed.

Marbury isn't your typical PG. He is short and fast but very strong.

[EJPLAYA]

Huge props to Steph for basically saving the series for us. Had he not hit those shots we would have ended up 5-7 points further down and a comeback just wasn't going to happen. He kept us in the game.

As far as his shot, I wonder how much his recent drop in weight and improved conditioning had to do with his jumper being off? His shots all seem to be a bit long, and the fact that he is getting off the ground better, and is stronger could easily result in his shot being a little long. The more of them he takes the better he will get back into that groove and begin hitting more often like this.

I also think we need to give the guy his due for his agressive defense lately. Last night he was all over his guy unlike that guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open. Steph has given us a consistency on D none of us expected.

[RAcker]

Huge props to Steph for basically saving the series for us. Had he not hit those shots we would have ended up 5-7 points further down and a comeback just wasn't going to happen. He kept us in the game.

As far as his shot, I wonder how much his recent drop in weight and improved conditioning had to do with his jumper being off? His shots all seem to be a bit long, and the fact that he is getting off the ground better, and is stronger could easily result in his shot being a little long. The more of them he takes the better he will get back into that groove and begin hitting more often like this.

I also think we need to give the guy his due for his agressive defense lately. Last night he was all over his guy unlike that guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open. Steph has given us a consistency on D none of us expected.

I agree.  Even though we were still down 11 when Steph left the game, we'd have been down close to 20 easily without his heroics.  Keep it up.

[BballTim]

I also think we need to give the guy his due for his agressive defense lately. Last night he was all over his guy unlike that guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open. Steph has given us a consistency on D none of us expected.

  The "guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open" was doing what he was supposed to, playing off of Alston and helping out on Howard/Lewis. It was fairly effective as he caused a couple of turnovers in the first quarter and Perk and Davis avoided early foul trouble. Doc might have wanted Rondo to rush out at Alston more than he did when Rafer was shooting but he didn't want Rondo playing him tightly like Marbury was.

[vagrantwade]

I also think we need to give the guy his due for his agressive defense lately. Last night he was all over his guy unlike that guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open. Steph has given us a consistency on D none of us expected.

  The "guy who was starting in front of him who once again was floating at the free throw line and leaving his guy wide open" was doing what he was supposed to, playing off of Alston and helping out on Howard/Lewis. It was fairly effective as he caused a couple of turnovers in the first quarter and Perk and Davis avoided early foul trouble. Doc might have wanted Rondo to rush out at Alston more than he did when Rafer was shooting but he didn't want Rondo playing him tightly like Marbury was.

Rondo is suppose to come back to the man with the ball. That is is how the defense works.

I don't know if he thinking of rebounds or what exactly.