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Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 06:53:06 PM »

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The number of pass-first PG´s that won a Championship is very, very small.

I´m just sayin'
In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2009, 06:55:37 PM »

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Rondo, unfortunately for his sake, needs to start trying to dunk on every drive, rather than these frivoulous floaters he was throwing up there. It is really his only chance to score, get to the line, get Howard in foul trouble earlier, etc... I think he will come out next game and be more aggressive, but I agree, this every other game thing isn't working for me either...

Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2009, 06:58:39 PM »

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Rondo was beaten repeatedly on defense, and he played passively with the basketball. He hurt the ballclub last night.

  As opposed to Paul and Glen and Ray, who helped out the team immensely by getting beaten repeatedly on defense and playing passively on offense. I mean, if they'd played any worse we'd have won going away, right?

Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2009, 07:36:19 PM »

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Of course Rondo didn't really shoot the ball more than Pierce

Yeps, he lead the team in FGA.

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If you consider that it took 22 shooting possessions to get those 27 points it's less impressive.[/quote


Less impressive? I thought the qualifier was contributing nothing to the game.

What are "shooting possessions"? I know metrics like points per shot, points per possession and usage rate, but I've never heard of a "points per shooting possession" and I've read quite a few books.

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  And, just for fun, I'll point out that while Paul "started playing much better once he stopped relying on the pass first pg to run the offence", he probably wasn't relying on Rondo to run the offense because Rajon was on the bench. Paul didn't take a single foul shot until Rondo came out near the end of the 3rd quarter. In fact, the reason you felt Marbury played so well was because he wasn't running the offense, Paul was taking it in and getting fouled on most of the possessions.
Are you really trying to say that Paul was having a good offensive game before late in the 3rd, or do you just not understand how Paul and Ray making any kind of significant contribution to the offense might have an impact on Rondo's assist total?

Well, maybe it's just too difficult to have a good offensive game when you're being doubled on the catch because nobody is guarding one of your teammates? Don't you think that makes it hard to create off the bounce? This reminds me of the people in the game thread saying Pierce had a bad night because he missed wide open jumpers in the 1st half...

And I never said Marbury played so well. You have to read more carefully. The team played better with Marbury because even doing nothing, he was used as a decoy.

With great powers, came greater responsibilities. Rondo has the ball in his hands, he sets the tempo, he calls the plays. When he's on the floor, he's the one responsible to put his teammates in good positions to score. He can do that, because he's done it very often. Yesterday, he failed absolutely.

Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2009, 08:17:34 PM »

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Of course Rondo didn't really shoot the ball more than Pierce

Yeps, he lead the team in FGA.


I think several of Rondo's shots might have been last second shots, where he had no choice but to shoot the ball. But that's his own fault, since he wasted a lot of time walking the ball up and didn't play with any speed.

Re: Rondo can't adjust on the fly
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »

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Of course Rondo didn't really shoot the ball more than Pierce

Yeps, he lead the team in FGA.

  You didn't say he led the team in FGA, you said he shot the ball more than Pierce. If Paul shoots the ball and gets fouled on the shot, I'd call that Paul taking a shot.

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  And, just for fun, I'll point out that while Paul "started playing much better once he stopped relying on the pass first pg to run the offence", he probably wasn't relying on Rondo to run the offense because Rajon was on the bench. Paul didn't take a single foul shot until Rondo came out near the end of the 3rd quarter. In fact, the reason you felt Marbury played so well was because he wasn't running the offense, Paul was taking it in and getting fouled on most of the possessions.
Are you really trying to say that Paul was having a good offensive game before late in the 3rd, or do you just not understand how Paul and Ray making any kind of significant contribution to the offense might have an impact on Rondo's assist total?

Well, maybe it's just too difficult to have a good offensive game when you're being doubled on the catch because nobody is guarding one of your teammates? Don't you think that makes it hard to create off the bounce? This reminds me of the people in the game thread saying Pierce had a bad night because he missed wide open jumpers in the 1st half...

And I never said Marbury played so well. You have to read more carefully. The team played better with Marbury because even doing nothing, he was used as a decoy.

With great powers, came greater responsibilities. Rondo has the ball in his hands, he sets the tempo, he calls the plays. When he's on the floor, he's the one responsible to put his teammates in good positions to score. He can do that, because he's done it very often. Yesterday, he failed absolutely.

  When Rondo passes the ball to someone and they pass up or miss the shot it's not Rondo's fault. When the defense is set because Orlando's scoring so much it also limits his effectiveness. When the whole team's playing flat it's not Rondo's fault.

  And the teams do sometimes double off of Rondo, but how come that only affects things on occasion? Orlando shuts us down like that for most of game 1, then they abandon it for the remainder of the game and all of game 2, then they try it again in game 3? Is that how it works? We're a top 6 team in the league offensively with teams paying less attention to Rondo on offense, yet when we become completely discombobulated it's for the same reason? I don't see it. It seems like either playing off Rondo is very effective but teams rarely employ the strategy, or that teams play off Rondo on a regular basis and we generally play well when it happens so there's another reason things go wrong.