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Doc messed up
« on: May 04, 2009, 11:52:55 PM »

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Why, Doc, why???

Why did you leave the starters in for the longest time and hardly even use the bench??? Marbury was doing so well, yet you decide to pull him out. 8 pts. in 4 mins???? Come on, Doc! That's gotta amount to something. Use your ... head next time, please.

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Re: Doc messed up
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 11:58:14 PM »

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The decision to not play Marbury in the second half is completely mystifying to me. Rondo was awful tonight except for about 5 minutes in the third quarter. On the positive side for Doc, he did stick with Scal and Scal was solid tonight. However, I have to wonder what might have happened if he gave Rondo a 5 minute blow in the second half and gave Marbury a little run. Marbury was KILLING Anthony Johnson.

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 12:01:39 AM »

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Seriously. You have to bring him back in with the way Rondo was playing. Marbury missed two shots. Fine. One of them was an open 3, it happens. For the most part, he played very well on the offensive end. You have to bring him back in.

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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 12:06:57 AM »

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I hate to be a stickler, but isn't the title of this thread breaking the rules of this forum?

Re: Doc messed up
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 12:31:22 AM »

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I'm no coach, but the moment I saw House and Marbury leave the court and TA and Rondo coming in, I knew this was one of those "implosion" moves he does every once in a while.....
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 12:35:34 AM »

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The decision to not play Marbury in the second half is completely mystifying to me. Rondo was awful tonight except for about 5 minutes in the third quarter. On the positive side for Doc, he did stick with Scal and Scal was solid tonight. However, I have to wonder what might have happened if he gave Rondo a 5 minute blow in the second half and gave Marbury a little run. Marbury was KILLING Anthony Johnson.
At the point when Marbury would have come in, our defense started clamping down, and Rondo started going to the hoop hard and drawing fouls. I don't see how we could take Rondo out at that point. Rondo was taking the ball from Johnson at will.

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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 12:49:47 AM »

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The decision to not play Marbury in the second half is completely mystifying to me. Rondo was awful tonight except for about 5 minutes in the third quarter. On the positive side for Doc, he did stick with Scal and Scal was solid tonight. However, I have to wonder what might have happened if he gave Rondo a 5 minute blow in the second half and gave Marbury a little run. Marbury was KILLING Anthony Johnson.
At the point when Marbury would have come in, our defense started clamping down, and Rondo started going to the hoop hard and drawing fouls. I don't see how we could take Rondo out at that point. Rondo was taking the ball from Johnson at will.

Check the box score. I think Johnson had one turnover. Also, Marbury KILLED Johnson we he played in the first half. Sorry, but Dog screwed up tonight in not playing Marbury in the second half.

Re: Doc messed up
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 01:33:39 AM »

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The decision to not play Marbury in the second half is completely mystifying to me. Rondo was awful tonight except for about 5 minutes in the third quarter. On the positive side for Doc, he did stick with Scal and Scal was solid tonight. However, I have to wonder what might have happened if he gave Rondo a 5 minute blow in the second half and gave Marbury a little run. Marbury was KILLING Anthony Johnson.
At the point when Marbury would have come in, our defense started clamping down, and Rondo started going to the hoop hard and drawing fouls. I don't see how we could take Rondo out at that point. Rondo was taking the ball from Johnson at will.

Check the box score. I think Johnson had one turnover. Also, Marbury KILLED Johnson we he played in the first half. Sorry, but Dog screwed up tonight in not playing Marbury in the second half.
I don't get your reasoning. You are saying that Doc had the wrong guys in when we made the comeback. It was 65-37 with 8:36 left in the 3rd. At that early in the 3rd, all the starters were still in. Then we went on a run until we got it down to 4. How can you criticize the rotation that cut 24 points off of the lead?

What would Marbury have brought that would have been better, considering the pressure defense was the difference? Don't get over excited over 3 great floaters.

Re: Doc messed up
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 01:38:30 AM »

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Simply saying Marbury should have gotten time in the third quarter. Personally, the way Rondo played in the first half and the way he started the third quarter, I would have pulled him immediately and put Marbury in early in the third. Then bring Rondo back with 3 or 4 to play in the third and for the fourth. Bottom line, Marbury should have played in the second half. He brought energy and scoring to the game in the first half, something we got from Rondo for about 10 minutes tonight. You also continue to conveniently forget that Rondo had SEVEN turnovers tonight, including 3 or 4 in the fourth quarter. He made some great plays on D then turned right around and gave it back on the other end.

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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 01:39:09 AM »

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I hate to be a stickler, but isn't the title of this thread breaking the rules of this forum?

You're probably right, but who knows.

As for the OP...I agree, Marbury should have played more, he earned it after playing so well in a short time frame earlier.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 01:42:46 AM »

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Simply saying Marbury should have gotten time in the third quarter. Personally, the way Rondo played in the first half and the way he started the third quarter, I would have pulled him immediately and put Marbury in early in the third. Then bring Rondo back with 3 or 4 to play in the third and for the fourth. Bottom line, Marbury should have played in the second half. He brought energy and scoring to the game in the first half, something we got from Rondo for about 10 minutes tonight. You also continue to conveniently forget that Rondo had SEVEN turnovers tonight, including 3 or 4 in the fourth quarter. He made some great plays on D then turned right around and gave it back on the other end.
Good thing you aren't the coach then. We would have been screwed. You would have benched Rondo before the run, and stopped the comeback before it started.

I'm not forgetting about the turnovers at all. My point is the minutes when you want Marbury to have been on the floor are the minutes when the defense clamped down, starting with Rondo's pressure. Marbury has played good defense, but he can't pressure the same way.

We also have no idea if Marbury would have produced at all offensively in the second half. He might have been his normal ineffective self on offense.

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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 02:11:55 AM »

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Docs going for Orlando... He intentionally benched marbury because he was playing too well...

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 04:19:36 AM »

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Marbury should have had more minutes. There is no argument against it. As much as the constant Marbury skeptics(guava) want to pretend there is.

In 8 minutes he had 8 points on 4/6 shooting, 1 rebound, 3 assists, 0 turnovers.


Re: Doc messed up
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2009, 04:29:27 AM »

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Docs going for Orlando... He intentionally benched marbury because he was playing too well...
Maybe Doc wants to make sure we get to play 6 so that he can visit home twice. Plus, he wants 3 wins in Orlando, which means we have to lose twice in Boston.

Doc must have been pretty nervous though when with that comeback. Maybe he should have brought Pruitt in. He almost took back the lead he worked so hard to give Orlando. Lucky that open Ray Allen 3 was in-and-out. Otherwise we would have been within 1 with 40 seconds or so left.

Good thing Marbury wasn't in too. He might have used his Starbury powers to guide Ray's shot through.

Disclaimer: Not meant as a shot against Marbury's contribution.