Get Tony Allen Off The Floor!

[noro]

I still cannot understand why Tony Allen is getting any minutes whatsoever. The guy is a "defensive specialist?" I mean, I understand Eddie's defense is bad, but these are the +/- for Tony this series as well as minutes

GM1:8min, -9
GM2:0min
GM3:9min, -8
GM4:3min, -12
GM5:17min, -3
GM6:11min, -11

So even in our game 3 blowout, he was a -8. and the worst was the -12 in game 4 that clearly may have cost us the game, as well as his foul on the 3 pointer in game 5. Yet Doc continues to play him... I'd rather see SkyWalker than him.

[Bankshot]

I didn't have a problem with Tony getting spot minutes early in the game, but not in crunch time!

[CoachBo]

I really don't put a lot of stock in the plus/minus as a definitive measure of what a player's contributing on the floor.

But it's obvious that Tony's game is so limited offensively that when you combine it with his equally limited mental game, he simply cannot be left on the floor in a key spot in a playoff environment.

It was a hideous game management mistake to leave him and Rondo on the floor when Doc when small. Rondo was passive, and Tony's Tony. It was 3 on 5 and it cost us the game in regulation.

[Shiz1111]

I really don't put a lot of stock in the plus/minus as a definitive measure of what a player's contributing on the floor.

But it's obvious that Tony's game is so limited offensively that when you combine it with his equally limited mental game, he simply cannot be left on the floor in a key spot in a playoff environment.

It was a hideous game management mistake to leave him and Rondo on the floor when Doc when small. Rondo was passive, and Tony's Tony. It was 3 on 5 and it cost us the game in regulation.

TP. These are my sentiments exactly...I watched Tony bumble two plays near the end of the game and I knew right then that either the game was lost or we were heading into overtime. And now I'm wondering what I missed? Was there some reason that Tony was on the floor during crunch time?? The last time Doc had him on the floor in this situation he made a couple of really silly plays including that 3-point foul in game 5. I didn't want Tony anywhere near the floor at the end of a tight game yet there he was 

[CoachBo]

I really don't put a lot of stock in the plus/minus as a definitive measure of what a player's contributing on the floor.

But it's obvious that Tony's game is so limited offensively that when you combine it with his equally limited mental game, he simply cannot be left on the floor in a key spot in a playoff environment.

It was a hideous game management mistake to leave him and Rondo on the floor when Doc when small. Rondo was passive, and Tony's Tony. It was 3 on 5 and it cost us the game in regulation.

TP. These are my sentiments exactly...I watched Tony bumble two plays near the end of the game and I knew right then that either the game was lost or we were heading into overtime. And now I'm wondering what I missed? Was there some reason that Tony was on the floor during crunch time?? The last time Doc had him on the floor in this situation he made a couple of really silly plays including that 3-point foul in game 5. I didn't want Tony anywhere near the floor at the end of a tight game yet there he was 

This is conjecture, but the Bulls had gone small. I'm guessing Doc went Baby for Tony to match them, instead of trying to work the size advantage.

[connerhenry43]

I didn't have a problem with Tony getting spot minutes early in the game, but not in crunch time!

perfectly said

[CDawg834]

The one thing I will say in Tony's defense is that on the two shots he missed, he got thrown the ball with about 5 seconds on the shot clock and really didn't have anywhere to go with the ball.  Since he is lost on offense he kinda got put in a bad spot on both those plays.

That is on Doc for leaving him on the court knowing that they needed baskets.  The offense just dies when he is out there, and it's tough to watch.

[Eeyore III]

I didn't have a problem with Tony getting spot minutes early in the game, but not in crunch time!

perfectly said

Ditto

[reggie35]

The one thing I will say in Tony's defense is that on the two shots he missed, he got thrown the ball with about 5 seconds on the shot clock and really didn't have anywhere to go with the ball.  Since he is lost on offense he kinda got put in a bad spot on both those plays.

That is on Doc for leaving him on the court knowing that they needed baskets.  The offense just dies when he is out there, and it's tough to watch.

The offense dies when Rondo and Pierce start dominating the ball. In other words, they go into milk the clock mode and sit on the ball until there's no choice except take a bad shot.

Mainly I blame Rondo. It's his job to set the table and he was just not aggressive when he needed to be. 19 assists or not, if he starts walking it up the court and pounding the ball for eons, the C's are in trouble.

There is hate here for Tony Allen that borders on the irrational. The Celtics live and die by the performance of their best players. When Rondo plays scared, they lose. When Pierce turns the ball over in crunch time, they lose.

[Shiz1111]

There is hate here for Tony Allen that borders on the irrational.

I don't think there's hate here necessarily...I think the gist of it is that Tony Allen is not who we want on the floor in crunch time and for good reason. That said, It's not his fault alone that we lost the game for sure (although I do want to blame him and/or Doc for having him out there in the first place)

When Rondo plays scared, they lose. When Pierce turns the ball over in crunch time, they lose.

Now This, I completely agree with. I was aggravated with Tony on the floor but I was REALLY frustrated with Pierce. Not Rondo so much. I prefer for Rondo to run the offense than for Pierce to run the clock down and turn it over.

[Jon Niednagel]

The one thing I will say in Tony's defense is that on the two shots he missed, he got thrown the ball with about 5 seconds on the shot clock and really didn't have anywhere to go with the ball.  Since he is lost on offense he kinda got put in a bad spot on both those plays.

That is on Doc for leaving him on the court knowing that they needed baskets.  The offense just dies when he is out there, and it's tough to watch.

The offense dies when Rondo and Pierce start dominating the ball. In other words, they go into milk the clock mode and sit on the ball until there's no choice except take a bad shot.

Mainly I blame Rondo. It's his job to set the table and he was just not aggressive when he needed to be. 19 assists or not, if he starts walking it up the court and pounding the ball for eons, the C's are in trouble.

There is hate here for Tony Allen that borders on the irrational. The Celtics live and die by the performance of their best players. When Rondo plays scared, they lose. When Pierce turns the ball over in crunch time, they lose.

I gave you both a TP. Tony played fine in this game except for those last two shots. He did an admirable job when Pierce went out with that bloody nose in the third. The team didn't seem to lose a step, and I think actually might of made ground. He also defends the four players who are killing us the most (Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, and Salmons) better than any other player on the C's right now. With that said, I agree that he should not have been out there at the end, but he was put in some bad spots and predictably made some bad plays as a result. I would have liked to have seen a different lineup, but in my opinion he is being unfairly used as the whipping boy for this one. Rondo's missed free throws, and his playing scared all game, hurt us more than TA's two plays. Same can be said for PP's lack of defense on Salmons and brilliant turnover and foul on Noah. How about Baby's boneheaded foul on Miller to foul out of the game. Nobody is chiding Perk for taking jump shots at the end of regulation. Point is there is plenty of blame. This loss is not on TA, it was a team effort and credit the Bulls with a very gritty performance.

[CDawg834]

There is hate here for Tony Allen that borders on the irrational.

I don't think there's hate here necessarily...

I hate him.

Even though I semi-defended him in an earlier post...

[KungPoweChicken]

The first time Tony checked in, when pierce had a bloody nose, he denied Salmons the ball the whole time. I don't believe Salmons even caught it. When Pierce checked back in for Tony, Salmons started going off again. That's the simple truth of the matter.

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

I still cannot understand why Tony Allen is getting any minutes whatsoever. The guy is a "defensive specialist?" I mean, I understand Eddie's defense is bad, but these are the +/- for Tony this series as well as minutes

GM1:8min, -9
GM2:0min
GM3:9min, -8
GM4:3min, -12
GM5:17min, -3
GM6:11min, -11

So even in our game 3 blowout, he was a -8. and the worst was the -12 in game 4 that clearly may have cost us the game, as well as his foul on the 3 pointer in game 5. Yet Doc continues to play him... I'd rather see SkyWalker than him.

Noro! Thank you for this thread! Tony Allen makes me want to rip my hair off my scalp! Why does Doc play him at the end of the game when it matters most? Tony forced two idiotic shots (both of which were so short that a rebound wasn't even a possibility) and blew multiple defensive assignments. ANYBODY would be better than having him on the court IMO. Tony has all the athletic talent but nobody's driving the bus. 

[KungPoweChicken]

There is hate here for Tony Allen that borders on the irrational.

I don't think there's hate here necessarily...I think the gist of it is that Tony Allen is not who we want on the floor in crunch time and for good reason. That said, It's not his fault alone that we lost the game for sure (although I do want to blame him and/or Doc for having him out there in the first place)

When Rondo plays scared, they lose. When Pierce turns the ball over in crunch time, they lose.

Now This, I completely agree with. I was aggravated with Tony on the floor but I was REALLY frustrated with Pierce. Not Rondo so much. I prefer for Rondo to run the offense than for Pierce to run the clock down and turn it over.

Are you new to the Celtics? That's Paul's signature play.