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Here's how... at the moment, the C's have a bit of a rebounding hole with KG/Powe out of commission and it's a big hole. On the other shoe, Pierce is a terrific rebounder when he's not asked to carry the team's scoring load for an entire series so here's our big hope... a very tight guard rotation of House, Starbury, Ray Ray, Rondo where the scoring load is handled by the balanced guard squad as oppose to the front men for a vast majority of the plays.

Pierce, Perks, and BBD crash the boards like the way Parish/McHale/Bird did back in '84 where the Lakers couldn't get much of a board, for much of Games 5 and 7, w/o Kupchak playing some dirty tricks in the paint.

In this scenario, Starbury will have to hit his jumpers w/o hesitation because in essence, all our guards will be passers and/or scorers at will.

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In this scenario, Starbury will have to hit his jumpers w/o hesitation

let's see if he can do that first.

even then paul can give 20pts+ any night so why give that up.?.paul is tested and proven

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even then paul can give 20pts+ any night so why give that up.?

Well, it's a part of the dismantling of the Cav's system where in effect, PP boxes out LeBron for the board, dishes out to Marbury, and Marbury re-initiates the play. All and all, the rest of the league won't be able to adapt to it. It's too much Celtics firepower.

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Why rely on a backup player returning to All-Star form when we already have a point guard playing like an All-Star?  Have the big men seal off the shotblockers and let Rondo eat Mo Williams.

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Why rely on a backup player returning to All-Star form when we already have a point guard playing like an All-Star?  Have the big men seal off the shotblockers and let Rondo eat Mo Williams.

He can play with Rondo in there like we did in the last game. I think Doc needs to find better ways to keep Pierce fresh ingame. That means, more rest for him early in the game.

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even then paul can give 20pts+ any night so why give that up.?

Well, it's a part of the dismantling of the Cav's system where in effect, PP boxes out LeBron for the board, dishes out to Marbury, and Marbury re-initiates the play. All and all, the rest of the league won't be able to adapt to it. It's too much Celtics firepower.
Since when does "too much firepower" win championships? It's been a long time.

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Since when does "too much firepower" win championships? It's been a long time.

With PP, Perks, and BBD playing frontline defense like there's no tommorrow, thus compensating for the MIA of Powe/KG, it's the addendum to the defense motto.

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Steph was signed to do exactly what he did in Game 3. Danny Ainge is a genious ;D

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Steph was signed to do exactly what he did in Game 3.

Yes, for this series but to win it all, he needs to pull a Maxwell... "Hop on my back and I shall lead thee to a championship!"

And then, we've got the boards under control with PP playing Rodman-esque defense, instead of needing to carry the team's guns during those slow quarters.

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Well, let's just finish this series with Chicago before we think about how to deal with LBJ and the gang. 
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Have no idea how to deal with the Cavs....

but I do believe things will have to be funkified (which probably does mean small ballification....like we have any choice :-\)

Don't know if the Celts are a team that would play around with the current starting lineup, however.  Doesn't seem like Doc is into that kind of thing...

Have no idea how to deal with the Cavs....

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Well, let's just finish this series with Chicago before we think about how to deal with LBJ and the gang. 

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Have no idea how to deal with the Cavs....

but I do believe things will have to be funkified (which probably does mean small ballification....like we have any choice :-\)

Don't know if the Celts are a team that would play around with the current starting lineup, however.  Doesn't seem like Doc is into that kind of thing...

Have no idea how to deal with the Cavs....

stop lebron or slow down lebron without double team

like kobe he is a good passer and they will always get good looks if he is doubled = 50% and above field goals

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stop lebron or slow down lebron without double team

like kobe he is a good passer and they will always get good looks if he is doubled = 50% and above field goals

Yes, and one way is to contain his rebounding and make his game all about scoring and assists. In other words, box out on defense or 2nd opportunities, and then force him to always create a shot for himself and limit the passing lanes. We don't need to haggle the guy and get him to the line. Right now, he's a true triple-double threat and without KG/Powe mopping up all the extra boards, we're in trouble if don't use gang rebounding to stop re-tries for the Cavs. A gang rebounding frontline, a.k.a extra aggressive (Cowens/Silas-like) for every board via { Pierce, Perkins, BBD } threesome. Remember, Cowens was 6'8"; he simply outworked everyone under the boards.

Right now, the C's are emerging as the deepest backcourt of the league esp with Stephon getting his mojo back. On the other shoe, w/o Powe/KG, we can't say that about the frontline anymore so in that area, we have to compensate using strategy. The best strategy is to use the guards for an inside-penetrate but outside swing out shot bias. In other words, use all the guards as first offense weapons. Remember, Pierce was one of our best rebounders back in the pre-KG era.