Giddens carries Flash to the D-League Finals

[winsomme]

why does rebounding have to be as important a skill for a guard as a big man?

It doesn't and I've never said so. I don't have the time and the patience to keep answering to strawman arguments.

so why did you make the point that rebounding is not as important for a guard as a big man?

Let's see..... because it isn't? Can it be? I just said, and I quote myself "Yeah, of course the rebounding prowess is a positive for him, but it's not like it's something he can rely on, as he was a PF". Some guy thought I was saying Giddens plays at the 4 and Budweiser Celtic explained "That's not what he meant. He's saying that his rebounding skills would be something to rely on if he were a PF, but since he is a guard, it won't as big of a factor." Clarified? 

Now, may I ask you a question? Why have you suggested I said that rebounding has to be such as important of a skill for a guard as a big man?

because that's what it implies when you say "it's not something he can rely on...as he was a PF"

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

remember, we are asking the question: could JR contribute at the NBA level?

[cordobes]

Are you really arguing that Giddens could play in the GSW system? With his outside shooting? Who was the last guard who was successful there without being able to shoot the ball? Seriously, I'd really like to know the answer to this.

Funny thing is that I've always liked Giddens more than most and my post was generally complimentary of him. However, the homerism in this boards is just too much. Everything less than "oh, he's just as good as Orlando starting SG, he just didn't have the chance to prove it because our bench is so superior to the Magic's one..." is considered hate. It's truly mind-boggling.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Rebounding isn't as important a skill for a guard as a big man. You labelled this observation (originally made by Budweiser Celtic) as obvious (and it is), so I guess you also agree with it.

You have a lot of responses in this thread, so maybe you're tripping yourself up a little/losing track of what you've said? I'm referring to this:

Yeah, of course the rebounding prowess is a positive for him, but it's not like it's something he can rely on, as he was a PF.

Which wasn't BudweiserCeltics' observation, was it? He was just helping you to clarify. (We all make typos.)

That's not what he meant. He's saying that his rebounding skills would be something to rely on if he were a PF, but since he is a guard, it won't as big of a factor.

[cordobes]

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

Huh? Because he needs to do other things at a high level besides rebounding in order to play in the NBA. His rebounding and energy alone won't make him a NBA player. On the other hand, it may be enough for a big man. What's so hard to understand about this?

[cordobes]

So, The Walker Wiggle, once again, and for the last time, do you have any disagreement with anything I've said?

I repeat my advise to you from 10 pages ago: if you want to talk about me, not Giddens, open another thread.

[winsomme]

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

Huh? Because he needs to do other things at a high level besides rebounding in order to play in the NBA. His rebounding and energy alone won't make him a NBA player. On the other hand, it may be enough for a big man. What's so hard to understand about this?

but that's not the only thing he does well.....he's really good in transition, for instance.

[winsomme]

Are you really arguing that Giddens could play in the GSW system? With his outside shooting? Who was the last guard who was successful there without being able to shoot the ball? Seriously, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
 

how about Monta?

[cordobes]

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

Huh? Because he needs to do other things at a high level besides rebounding in order to play in the NBA. His rebounding and energy alone won't make him a NBA player. On the other hand, it may be enough for a big man. What's so hard to understand about this?

but that's not the only thing he does well.....he's really good in transition, for instance.

Yeah, I wrote that in the open post. Do you really have a problem with this statement:

He's saying that his rebounding skills would be something to rely on if he were a PF, but since he is a guard, it won't as big of a factor.?

Do you disagree with it?

[The Walker Wiggle]

Funny thing is that I've always liked Giddens more than most and my post was generally complimentary of him. However, the homerism in this boards is just too much. Everything less than "oh, he's just as good as Orlando starting SG, he just didn't have the chance to prove it because our bench is so superior to the Magic's one..." is considered hate. It's truly mind-boggling.

I don't think anyone considers your opinion of Giddens hateful or even unreasonable. For one - I certainly don't. I do think that your tone, which has swung to extremes, has confused the issue a lot.

[winsomme]

Are you really arguing that Giddens could play in the GSW system? With his outside shooting? Who was the last guard who was successful there without being able to shoot the ball? Seriously, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
 

how about Maggette?

[winsomme]

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

Huh? Because he needs to do other things at a high level besides rebounding in order to play in the NBA. His rebounding and energy alone won't make him a NBA player. On the other hand, it may be enough for a big man. What's so hard to understand about this?

but that's not the only thing he does well.....he's really good in transition, for instance.

Yeah, I wrote that in the open post. Do you really have a problem with this statement:

He's saying that his rebounding skills would be something to rely on if he were a PF, but since he is a guard, it won't as big of a factor.?

Do you disagree with it?

no, but again, I don't see why it needs to be as big a factor....

[cordobes]

Are you really arguing that Giddens could play in the GSW system? With his outside shooting? Who was the last guard who was successful there without being able to shoot the ball? Seriously, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
 

how about Monta?

Better shooter (besides a much better player). Monta shot 34% from distance in his rookie season in the NBA; Giddens is shooting 28% in his rookie season in the D-League.

[cordobes]

why would he have to rely on it (ie be as important for guard as a big man) for it to be something he could do well at the NBA level?

Huh? Because he needs to do other things at a high level besides rebounding in order to play in the NBA. His rebounding and energy alone won't make him a NBA player. On the other hand, it may be enough for a big man. What's so hard to understand about this?

but that's not the only thing he does well.....he's really good in transition, for instance.

Yeah, I wrote that in the open post. Do you really have a problem with this statement:

He's saying that his rebounding skills would be something to rely on if he were a PF, but since he is a guard, it won't as big of a factor.?

Do you disagree with it?

no, but again, I don't see why it needs to be as big a factor....

Me neither. That's why I said it wasn't a big factor. What's the problem you have then?

[winsomme]

Are you really arguing that Giddens could play in the GSW system? With his outside shooting? Who was the last guard who was successful there without being able to shoot the ball? Seriously, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
 

how about Monta?

Better shooter (besides a much better player). Monta shot 34% from distance in his rookie season in the NBA; Giddens is shooting 28% in his rookie season in the D-League.

you asked the question, I'm just trying to answer it. I could see JR getting a lot of buckets in transition....just like many of their wings do...

Randolph has a very unrefined game and scored a bunch for them.

[The Walker Wiggle]

So, The Walker Wiggle, once again, and for the last time, do you have any disagreement with anything I've said?

I repeat my advise to you from 10 pages ago: if you want to talk about me, not Giddens, open another thread.

What? Hey, not my intention, it just seemed that you were confused by which comments I was referring to - which weren't BudweiserCeltics. So, ok?

Also, posted my last response before seeing yours... Oops.

EDIT - To clarify? Though not really sure if that's what you're asking?  I believe a guard can impact games with great rebounding. Rondo is doing it right now... Giddens has the ability to do the same. Agree/disagree?