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Whats up with the Redsox?
« on: April 14, 2009, 01:28:48 PM »

Offline rondo987

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I'm one of the posters on this board that thinks the Celtics get disrespected as far as recognition by the city and it's fans. In other words, it upsets me that it's almost playoff time right now yet in my half hour drive to school earlier Dale and Holly didn't mention the celtics (or bruins) once.

Topics they did mention:
Redsox struggles
Isiah Thomas coaching FIU

Well, I am a huge sox fan deep down inside, and have followed them almost as long and as religiously as I have followed the Celts. Needless to say like most sox fans I am pretty upset with their start to this season. The "great" pitching staff we have raved about all winter long looks mediocre at best, and the hitting has been just awful.

I know it's early, and I do believe they will turn it around at some point... But I'm just curious to see what the rest of Red Sox nation is thinking right now.
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Re: Whats up with the Redsox?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2009, 01:32:37 PM »

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They do not have a power bat in the middle of the line up.  Think management should have just ponied up to start last season and gave Manny the 2 year extension, because I do.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 01:34:37 PM »

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I don't make any evals of baseball until at least mid may, seasons to much of a grind.
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Re: Whats up with the Redsox?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 01:37:48 PM »

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Quote from: MBz on April 14, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
They do not have a power bat in the middle of the line up.  Think management should have just ponied up to start last season and gave Manny the 2 year extension, because I do.

See I don't know about that... I think they had to part ways with Manny (as much as I hated it). He was too much of a distraction and wasn't even trying.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 01:41:10 PM »

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Quote from: crownsy on April 14, 2009, 01:34:37 PM
I don't make any evals of baseball until at least mid may, seasons to much of a grind.

Agreed.  We can save the hand-wringing until September.  Besides, I am too focused on the Cs right now.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 01:44:10 PM »

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Quote from: rondo987 on April 14, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: MBz on April 14, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
They do not have a power bat in the middle of the line up.  Think management should have just ponied up to start last season and gave Manny the 2 year extension, because I do.

See I don't know about that... I think they had to part ways with Manny (as much as I hated it). He was too much of a distraction and wasn't even trying.

Hit pretty good for a guy not trying (im talking pre trade, he was still one of the better hitters on the roster. whats that say for our other bats? they couldn't out hit a half ass manny)
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 02:25:49 PM »

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Quote from: rondo987 on April 14, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: MBz on April 14, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
They do not have a power bat in the middle of the line up.  Think management should have just ponied up to start last season and gave Manny the 2 year extension, because I do.

See I don't know about that... I think they had to part ways with Manny (as much as I hated it). He was too much of a distraction and wasn't even trying.

Had they just picked up the extension from the start of it, I don't think any of it would have happened.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 02:31:17 PM »

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it's too small of a sample size.  Lester has looked horrible, but I doubt he forgot how to pitch since last year. Dice looked crappy, etc...

As for the bats, they will be fine.  slow starts happen. 


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Permalink|Comments (6) Posted by Adam Kilgore, Globe Staff April 14, 2009 01:05 PM

April lies. One month – let alone one week, which is what has elapsed in the Red Sox’ season – is an inadequate measure of a team. If the Red Sox were playing an NFL season, they would be about halfway through the third quarter of the first game. Maybe 2-5, Boston's worst seven-game mark since 1996, is unsettling, but there’s a good chance it’s a mirage.

First, there is one indicator that favors a turnaround. The Red Sox have a .250 batting average on balls put in play. (This means that if you take away home runs, sacrifices, and strikeouts, the Red Sox are batting .250.) The .250 mark is worst in the American League and better than only the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies. The league average is .300. That means the Red Sox have run into some good defense, gotten unlucky, or both in relation to the rest of the majors.

The Red Sox have been built for a marathon. By the time June comes and attrition forces other team to wedge guys who should be in Triple A into their starting rotations, the Red Sox will be bulwarked by a fresh John Smoltz. Name another rotation where Clay Buchholz could have the spring he did and not make the roster. That advantage won’t be revealed in the standings for another 40 games or so.

And anyway, seven games is such a ridiculously small sample size to base any kind of conclusion on. Look at the seven-game records for every World Series champion since the strike:

2008 Phillies: 3-4
2007 Red Sox: 4-3
2006 Cardinals: 4-3
2005 White Sox: 5-2
2004 Red Sox: 4-3
2003 Marlins: 2-5
2002 Angels: 3-4
2001 Diamondbacks: 3-4
2000 Yankees: 4-3
1999 Yankees: 6-1
1998 Yankees: 3-4
1997 Marlins: 6-1
1996 Yankees: 4-3
1995 Braves: 6-1

Five of the past 11 World Champions failed to start better than .500 after a week’s worth of games, and only three post-strike champs had a start worth getting excited over. Would it be better if the Sox were hitting and Jon Lester was cruising through starts and they were in first place? Yes, of course. Would it really matter to the final outcome of this year if those things were the case? Probably not that much.

I’m not trying to ignore the fact that the Red Sox have played below their expectation over the first week. And there most definitely comes a point when “It’s early” ceases to be a valid excuse. But Dustin Pedroia is not going to finish with a 52 OPS+, and Lester won’t have a 1.82 WHIP, and the Red Sox aren’t going to hit .180 with runners in scoring position, etc. You can go on and on. It's just too soon to worry.

Now, if Daisuke Matsuzaka can't get past the fifth inning tonight ...

(Just kidding.)
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 02:44:06 PM »

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Im so uninterested in baseball right now, I do like the red sox, but not like I love the celtics, and quite frankly I think its funny considering how the red sox homers were gushing how this was going to be the best red sox pitching staff ever now theyre all already in panic mode and I couldnt care less.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 02:55:41 PM »

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I don't know what's wrong with them but Beckett missing a start now for being suspended isn't going to help.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 03:21:46 PM »

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Quote from: TatteredOnMySleeve on April 14, 2009, 02:44:06 PM
Im so uninterested in baseball right now, I do like the red sox, but not like I love the celtics, and quite frankly I think its funny considering how the red sox homers were gushing how this was going to be the best red sox pitching staff ever now theyre all already in panic mode and I couldnt care less.

I'm with you on that one. As a die hard Celtics fan, I really could care less if the redsox are winning their games in April as the Celts prepare for the playoffs. I'm just curious to see what everyone else is thinking after such a pathetic start to the season.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 03:30:44 PM »

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Quote from: TatteredOnMySleeve on April 14, 2009, 02:44:06 PM
Im so uninterested in baseball right now, I do like the red sox, but not like I love the celtics, and quite frankly I think its funny considering how the red sox homers were gushing how this was going to be the best red sox pitching staff ever now theyre all already in panic mode and I couldnt care less.

Why post then?  The question is what's wrong with the Sox, not your opinion of how you are uninterested in baseball.  It's too early in the season to be concerned about the Sox.  Next month, if they are playing the same as now...I'm worried.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 04:20:38 PM »

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Quote from: Silas on April 14, 2009, 03:30:44 PM
Quote from: TatteredOnMySleeve on April 14, 2009, 02:44:06 PM
Im so uninterested in baseball right now, I do like the red sox, but not like I love the celtics, and quite frankly I think its funny considering how the red sox homers were gushing how this was going to be the best red sox pitching staff ever now theyre all already in panic mode and I couldnt care less.

Why post then?  The question is what's wrong with the Sox, not your opinion of how you are uninterested in baseball.  It's too early in the season to be concerned about the Sox.  Next month, if they are playing the same as now...I'm worried.

Why not?
Im with you though, and thats why I couldnt care less...too early to worry about baseball when you only watch it when basketballs over.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 08:49:18 AM »

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The Red Sox suck donkey balls right now! :(  I remember reading from either McAdam or Masseratti(sp) saying that Theo wanted a drama less team full of nice guys, in his deadpanned image. ::)   Well that's what he got, a dead azz team! >:(
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2009, 08:54:39 AM »

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Quote from: Bankshot on April 15, 2009, 08:49:18 AM
The Red Sox suck donkey balls right now! :(  I remember reading from either McAdam or Masseratti(sp) saying that Theo wanted a drama less team full of nice guys, in his deadpanned image. ::)   Well that's what he got, a dead azz team! >:(

how'd a team built around that style work out in 2007?
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