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Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2009, 06:51:33 PM »

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ray allen looks like he is 25 right now...playing at a high level

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2009, 07:17:31 PM »

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Agreed.  Even if his PPG dont reflect it, he's having a career year.  And people are quick to assume we should trade ray next year....bleh. 

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2009, 07:20:21 PM »

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ray is money....

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2009, 09:03:13 PM »

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ray is money....

exactly, and that is after he had surgery to remove spurs in BOTH ankles.  I really dont see this being a huge issue for garnett, but who knows.

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2009, 09:17:17 PM »

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why can't that be fixed?

Are you sure your not a pessimist? Who's to say Kevin is not 100% healthy next year, plays 78 games and we win the Title?

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2009, 10:06:49 PM »

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Once again, bone spurs can be many different things. Ray had a season ending surgery and struggled for the most part of the next one, but it wasn't even in the knee. We don't even know which is the tendon that is being affected.

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2009, 11:12:29 PM »

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Hmm... looks like it's called "enthesopathy."



http://www.arthritis-treatment-and-relief.com/bone-spur-knee.html

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2009, 01:04:33 AM »

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Awful news. And so begins the decline of KG.

(I'm not a pessimist, and we knew the decline would come sometime. Sadly, we didn't think it would be this soon and down to an injury. I need Big Ticket here to console me.)

your opening line here really put a flame in my KG spirits, but thankfully the comments after this one lifted me again. I say he's back for the first game after our first playoff (gulp) loss.
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Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2009, 01:54:17 AM »

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Is there a doctor in the house?

I'll give this a shot (starting my Residency in Orthopaedic Surgery this year).  I dont really post much so here's hoping i dont ramble too much.

As far as I can say Ainge's comment that this injury is a "bone spur" is confusing at best. Ofcourse I dont have KG's medical info, so I am going to have to go on some assumptions and the info we have gotten from the media to elaborate on this issue.  As mentioned by some, bone spurs are usually not a "big" deal, but then again bone spurs usually cause problems in the foot.  KG obviously has knee pain and a bone spur there, especially when inside the joint, can be much more serious.  So what we can assume is that while doing an x-ray/mri they noticed spurs on KG's knee.  But there are 2 BIG questions here:

1. Where are these spurs exactly? depending on where these spurs are on the knee we can tell if they are impinging on tendon, ligament, or cartilage.  Dont be fooled guys some of these impingements can cause lasting damage, especially on cartilage. And there is no way to gain back knee cartilage.

2. Are these "bone spurs" really causing KG's knee pain?  See a lot of people have bone spurs and as long as they are not impinging on something; they dont cause a problem.  Just cause a x-ray/mri shows bone spurs, that does not mean that they are causing the problem.  Quite frankly they can scope out KG's knee this summer (which i think they probably will) and find a huge meniscal tear that the MRI missed (which seeing KG limp around seems semi-likely). I have actually seen MRI's miss these tears more then once. 

But lets assume that bone spurs are causing KG's woes, what then?  Well he can have conservative treatment for the short term.  I believe other members mentioned that these excess calcified lesions can impinge on tendon or muscle and cause pain via inflammation.  And that anti-inflammatory medications can help alleviate the pain i.e NSAIDs (Ibuprofen), icing, cortisone shots (however when it comes to tendons, studies have shown that cortisone shots can cause serious damage over time...also ultra sound, which was mentioned earlier, is not an effective treatment).   Ofcourse none of this will solve his problem and surgery during the offseason will be the best long term bet.  How serious of a surgery will this be?  Will that once again relies on question # 1. where is it?  If the spur is small and at an easily accessible site then it can be a really minor surgery.  However if it is placed inside the joint and has caused some damage then recovery time might be longer.  There is no way to tell at this point but in all likely hood most such surgery's would have him still playing during the next season.  But if there is serious damage to his cartilage or ligaments this injury CAN have lasting implications.

-Sorry for my long winded and confusing post...just hope it clarifies stuff a little.


Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2009, 02:26:51 AM »

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Is there a doctor in the house?

I'll give this a shot (starting my Residency in Orthopaedic Surgery this year).  I dont really post much so here's hoping i dont ramble too much.

As far as I can say Ainge's comment that this injury is a "bone spur" is confusing at best. Ofcourse I dont have KG's medical info, so I am going to have to go on some assumptions and the info we have gotten from the media to elaborate on this issue.  As mentioned by some, bone spurs are usually not a "big" deal, but then again bone spurs usually cause problems in the foot.  KG obviously has knee pain and a bone spur there, especially when inside the joint, can be much more serious.  So what we can assume is that while doing an x-ray/mri they noticed spurs on KG's knee.  But there are 2 BIG questions here:

1. Where are these spurs exactly? depending on where these spurs are on the knee we can tell if they are impinging on tendon, ligament, or cartilage.  Dont be fooled guys some of these impingements can cause lasting damage, especially on cartilage. And there is no way to gain back knee cartilage.

2. Are these "bone spurs" really causing KG's knee pain?  See a lot of people have bone spurs and as long as they are not impinging on something; they dont cause a problem.  Just cause a x-ray/mri shows bone spurs, that does not mean that they are causing the problem.  Quite frankly they can scope out KG's knee this summer (which i think they probably will) and find a huge meniscal tear that the MRI missed (which seeing KG limp around seems semi-likely). I have actually seen MRI's miss these tears more then once. 

But lets assume that bone spurs are causing KG's woes, what then?  Well he can have conservative treatment for the short term.  I believe other members mentioned that these excess calcified lesions can impinge on tendon or muscle and cause pain via inflammation.  And that anti-inflammatory medications can help alleviate the pain i.e NSAIDs (Ibuprofen), icing, cortisone shots (however when it comes to tendons, studies have shown that cortisone shots can cause serious damage over time...also ultra sound, which was mentioned earlier, is not an effective treatment).   Ofcourse none of this will solve his problem and surgery during the offseason will be the best long term bet.  How serious of a surgery will this be?  Will that once again relies on question # 1. where is it?  If the spur is small and at an easily accessible site then it can be a really minor surgery.  However if it is placed inside the joint and has caused some damage then recovery time might be longer.  There is no way to tell at this point but in all likely hood most such surgery's would have him still playing during the next season.  But if there is serious damage to his cartilage or ligaments this injury CAN have lasting implications.

-Sorry for my long winded and confusing post...just hope it clarifies stuff a little.




clarified and depressing all in one. Good post and very informative. Lets hope its the "half-full" version.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2009, 02:45:09 AM »

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I come here for all my Celtics info, but the bottom line is that if we don't have the actual pictures of the knee then none of us know exactly what is going on.  Here's hoping KG is well enough for the playoffs.


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Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2009, 02:52:32 AM »

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He will play, just how much is the question. Wathcing that laker game tonight made me want the playoffs to start in the worst way. I just want this season to end, this suspens is killing me. I'm so sick of the speculation on injuries(I know I am gulity) I could vomit. It cant happen soon enough. I want the cavs and I want to bury the lakers in the worst way. >:(
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Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2009, 05:34:25 AM »

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Aren't bone spurs generally fairly easily detected by X Ray/MRI?  So they've probably known it's there and decided not to do anything about it, hoping rest + pain medication would do the trick.  Wonder if that was the right decision...

At any rate it's nothing career threatening unless it's started to wear down the tendon right?  Plenty of athletes, it seems, have these and it hasn't drastically affect their careers.  If we're worried that it's a sign his age is catching up to him, well, we knew he was old from the get go, that's why it's so important to win now.
I don't think bone spurs can be seen on MRI until they become a certain size. If he does have bone spurs it's not career-ending. If he plays with it it will be painful and cause inflamation which will subside with rest and therapy. If KG can play thru the pain he won't hurt himself further and surgery can fix this offseason. Remember a few years back with Al Jefferson after he had that bad ankle sprain? He kept complaining about pain, but nothing was seen on MRI. Eventually bone spurs did show up and he had surgery. After that he was fine.

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2009, 06:52:56 AM »

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Awful news. And so begins the decline of KG.

(I'm not a pessimist, and we knew the decline would come sometime. Sadly, we didn't think it would be this soon and down to an injury. I need Big Ticket here to console me.)

thats a pretty minor injury man, essentialy its just excess calcium.

not a hard fix or a chronic injury. no one but marrow from the x-men has ever had chronic bone spurs (geek referance, wooo!)

While this is true, he is going to decline at some point and this has the potential to be the start of the decline. He's not going to stay one of the best 2 PF's in the league forever.

Re: Ainge: KG has a spur
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2009, 07:38:25 AM »

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Here's a link to info on bone spurs in the knee:

http://www.arthritis-treatment-and-relief.com/bone-spur-knee.html

Long term it doesn't appear to be a big deal, but for this year I do think Leon needs to get well, and everybody better be bringing their 'A' game.