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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 12:20:44 PM »

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In the playoffs you can wake up w/o homecourt the next morning. We beat Cleveland once at Cleveland, they're going to be crappin there pants. Same thing for LA, but LA has a few other players like the refs and David Stern helping them out.
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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »

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Well Doc did promise to cut back their playing time which he has by a couple of minutes. But I agree he has to set a limit on  their minutes  and stick to it regardless the score. The problem is playing them 40 minutes in games that look winnable is that almost all their losses have looked winnable until the final minutes. Maybe giving Paul and Ray a lengthier rest in the 3rd and 4th quarters could have them close out games in the end.



thats a terrable way to coach, to set time limit.


"well, were down 3 with 3 minutes left....aaww paul's played 35 minutes. Oh well"

last night was fine. 44+ minutes in blow out losses are not.



That's your opinion. In mine last night was not fine. I'm not asking him to coach that way all the time but with the team trying to get healthy for the playoffs there is nothing wrong with making sure they get at a certain amount of rest each game. He's been doing something similar with KG most of the season.
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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2009, 12:31:38 PM »

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The number of minutes sounds very high, but lets not forget how much actual rest the players get DURING the playoffs.  No back to backs and they play only two times or so during some weeks.

From Game 3 against Atlanta in the first round through the day they clinched the Eastern Conference title (Game 6 against Detroit), they played every other day without exception.

No back-to-backs, but I think you're overstating some of the rest value of the playoffs.

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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2009, 12:38:01 PM »

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Well Doc did promise to cut back their playing time which he has by a couple of minutes. But I agree he has to set a limit on  their minutes  and stick to it regardless the score. The problem is playing them 40 minutes in games that look winnable is that almost all their losses have looked winnable until the final minutes. Maybe giving Paul and Ray a lengthier rest in the 3rd and 4th quarters could have them close out games in the end.



thats a terrable way to coach, to set time limit.


"well, were down 3 with 3 minutes left....aaww paul's played 35 minutes. Oh well"

last night was fine. 44+ minutes in blow out losses are not.



I agree. And so if you really want to blame someone for Pierce and Ray's minutes, you'd have to blame Pierce and House for hitting those two threes that brought them back to give them a shot to win. If they hadn't done that, they would've played about 35 minutes. You'd rather have them miss shots than give us a chance to play for the win?

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2009, 12:42:39 PM »

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The number of minutes sounds very high, but lets not forget how much actual rest the players get DURING the playoffs.  No back to backs and they play only two times or so during some weeks.

From Game 3 against Atlanta in the first round through the day they clinched the Eastern Conference title (Game 6 against Detroit), they played every other day without exception.

No back-to-backs, but I think you're overstating some of the rest value of the playoffs.

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Yeah, I guess that can happen when they don't take care of business against inferior teams.  I hope we don't see that pattern again this year.

Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2009, 12:43:12 PM »

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They should be able to get more rest with some of the upcoming games as long as they don't overlook anyone.

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2009, 12:45:34 PM »

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The number of minutes sounds very high, but lets not forget how much actual rest the players get DURING the playoffs.  No back to backs and they play only two times or so during some weeks.

From Game 3 against Atlanta in the first round through the day they clinched the Eastern Conference title (Game 6 against Detroit), they played every other day without exception.

No back-to-backs, but I think you're overstating some of the rest value of the playoffs.

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Yeah, I guess that can happen when they don't take care of business against inferior teams.  I hope we don't see that pattern again this year.

Personally, as a fan, I loved the scheduling in that the distance was perfect.  Just enough time to celebrate a good win and get ready for the next game, short enough time to limit stewing over a loss.

That said, I of course didn't love the losing in the early rounds that helped make it that way.  Agreed on hoping to avoid that, no doubt.

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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2009, 12:54:00 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2009, 12:54:59 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

Powe is not a SF.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2009, 01:09:35 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

Powe is not a SF.


True, but you know what.....just find the minutes for Powe by shuffling the rotation so he gets a few more minutes and Allen/Pierce get a few less. I'm sure it can be done!  :)

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2009, 01:20:43 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

Powe is not a SF.


True, but you know what.....just find the minutes for Powe by shuffling the rotation so he gets a few more minutes and Allen/Pierce get a few less. I'm sure it can be done!  :)

how?

powe's minutes do not affect ray and paul, he's part of the front court rotation.

Paul and rays minutes depend on walker, scal (out), Ta( out) eddie (somewhat) and pruitt (in the doghouse) along with the mythical JR giddens, who can't buy the floor.
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Re: Doc's contradictions
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »

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Would you rather play Stiff-on 40 minutes and lose by 40?

He is not playing too well out there.

Doc has to assign 240 minutes of playing time between 7 available players. That works out to an average of 34.28 minutes a player. Ray and Paul are your two best so it is hard to avoid using them 40 a night. If either go down (shudder violently).
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2009, 01:26:47 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

Powe is not a SF.


True, but you know what.....just find the minutes for Powe by shuffling the rotation so he gets a few more minutes and Allen/Pierce get a few less. I'm sure it can be done!  :)

Powe is getting plenty of minutes.  He is at his best when he is filling his role of rebounder/scorer off the bench, coming in with a ton of energy. 

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2009, 01:30:31 PM »

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Would you rather play Stiff-on 40 minutes and lose by 40?

He is not playing too well out there.

Doc has to assign 240 minutes of playing time between 7 available players. That works out to an average of 34.28 minutes a player. Ray and Paul are your two best so it is hard to avoid using them 40 a night. If either go down (shudder violently).
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2009, 01:39:36 PM »

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Powe should play 2-3 more minutes per half at the expense of Allen and Pierce. Rivers needs to have more trust in Powe (and he is capable of providing offensive punch while the Big 3 are on the bench) so that the starters can get rest during the course of a game and be fresh at crunch time.

Powe is not a SF.


True, but you know what.....just find the minutes for Powe by shuffling the rotation so he gets a few more minutes and Allen/Pierce get a few less. I'm sure it can be done!  :)

Powe is getting plenty of minutes.  He is at his best when he is filling his role of rebounder/scorer off the bench, coming in with a ton of energy. 

16.5 minutes when the Celtics are at full strength?  If that keeps up, we're not going to have this discussion next year, that's for sure!   :)