Lucky17's Yahoo! FBB H2H League: 2011-12 season: Draft on Wed, Oct 12, noon EST?

[Edgar]

I prefer no changes be made to the draft or to waiver priority in the coming off-season, or going ahead.

Changes I would be in favor of - locking rosters for the playoffs; and moving the trade deadline up one to two weeks. I'm more than happy to continue to wheel and deal and play the wire - I love to play the wire - but on principal, I prefer the idea of "dancing with the one who brought you," so to speak.

If we are going to make changes to the draft, now or in '10, what about awarding the 1st pick to the winner of the consolation bracket? Or possibly even assigning the top 3 picks that way (to 7th, 8th and 9th place)? It would make the post-season meaningful for more teams and award an also-ran but active manager instead of a checked-out GM.

P.S. Everybody ought to give Commissioner Lucky another TP for being a steady hand on the tiller.

Only if you want to chase managers away. 

If you inherit a team not good enough to win in the regular season, not good enough to win any playoff contest, how are you ever going to improve in the near future? 

[Roy Hobbs]

I prefer no changes be made to the draft or to waiver priority in the coming off-season, or going ahead.

Changes I would be in favor of - locking rosters for the playoffs; and moving the trade deadline up one to two weeks. I'm more than happy to continue to wheel and deal and play the wire - I love to play the wire - but on principal, I prefer the idea of "dancing with the one who brought you," so to speak.

If we are going to make changes to the draft, now or in '10, what about awarding the 1st pick to the winner of the consolation bracket? Or possibly even assigning the top 3 picks that way (to 7th, 8th and 9th place)? It would make the post-season meaningful for more teams and award an also-ran but active manager instead of a checked-out GM.

P.S. Everybody ought to give Commissioner Lucky another TP for being a steady hand on the tiller.

Only if you want to chase managers away. 

If you inherit a team not good enough to win in the regular season, not good enough to win any playoff contest, how are you ever going to improve in the near future? 

Yeah, I tend to agree with that, too.  How are the truly bad teams ever going to improve?  It most likely won't be through the waiver wire, as for the most part there are dregs on there (with the occasional good pickup).  The only way for bad teams to reach elite status is through the draft.

That's why I'm in favor of deepening the draft by adding all available players to it (starting next year).  The draft is the life blood of fantasy basketball, and if teams start the season thinking they'll have no hope, people won't be active.

[Kwhit10]

I prefer no changes be made to the draft or to waiver priority in the coming off-season, or going ahead.

Changes I would be in favor of - locking rosters for the playoffs; and moving the trade deadline up one to two weeks. I'm more than happy to continue to wheel and deal and play the wire - I love to play the wire - but on principal, I prefer the idea of "dancing with the one who brought you," so to speak.

If we are going to make changes to the draft, now or in '10, what about awarding the 1st pick to the winner of the consolation bracket? Or possibly even assigning the top 3 picks that way (to 7th, 8th and 9th place)? It would make the post-season meaningful for more teams and award an also-ran but active manager instead of a checked-out GM.

P.S. Everybody ought to give Commissioner Lucky another TP for being a steady hand on the tiller.

Only if you want to chase managers away. 

If you inherit a team not good enough to win in the regular season, not good enough to win any playoff contest, how are you ever going to improve in the near future? 

What if the bottom 6 teams get their pick based on the worst record gets highest pick, but picks 7-12 are based on the consolation bracket?

[RebusRankin]

I joined the league this year. I inherited a team that finished 13th out of 20 by my estimation (I had the 8th pick in the draft). I like the idea of making all available players draft eligible. Then keep the waiver wire as is. To me its a nice balance. Good drafting and work on the waiver wire can make a difference (I'm in the play-off race).

[wdleehi]

I prefer no changes be made to the draft or to waiver priority in the coming off-season, or going ahead.

Changes I would be in favor of - locking rosters for the playoffs; and moving the trade deadline up one to two weeks. I'm more than happy to continue to wheel and deal and play the wire - I love to play the wire - but on principal, I prefer the idea of "dancing with the one who brought you," so to speak.

If we are going to make changes to the draft, now or in '10, what about awarding the 1st pick to the winner of the consolation bracket? Or possibly even assigning the top 3 picks that way (to 7th, 8th and 9th place)? It would make the post-season meaningful for more teams and award an also-ran but active manager instead of a checked-out GM.

P.S. Everybody ought to give Commissioner Lucky another TP for being a steady hand on the tiller.

Only if you want to chase managers away. 

If you inherit a team not good enough to win in the regular season, not good enough to win any playoff contest, how are you ever going to improve in the near future? 

What if the bottom 6 teams get their pick based on the worst record gets highest pick, but picks 7-12 are based on the consolation bracket?

Then you are likely to see the teams 11-13 tanking instead of losing so many draft spots. 


Anyways, can anyone tell me what teams get for winning the NIT?

[Lucky17]

I prefer no changes be made to the draft or to waiver priority in the coming off-season, or going ahead.

Changes I would be in favor of - locking rosters for the playoffs; and moving the trade deadline up one to two weeks. I'm more than happy to continue to wheel and deal and play the wire - I love to play the wire - but on principal, I prefer the idea of "dancing with the one who brought you," so to speak.

If we are going to make changes to the draft, now or in '10, what about awarding the 1st pick to the winner of the consolation bracket? Or possibly even assigning the top 3 picks that way (to 7th, 8th and 9th place)? It would make the post-season meaningful for more teams and award an also-ran but active manager instead of a checked-out GM.

P.S. Everybody ought to give Commissioner Lucky another TP for being a steady hand on the tiller.

It's an interesting wrinkle, but I think it benefits mediocrity, and doesn't allow bad teams to improve as needed.

As for locking teams, that is up for debate. We could discontinue waiver pickups, if people want that. But if someone should lose a player to injury over the next month, it would be cruel.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Anyways, can anyone tell me what teams get for winning the NIT?

Ha! TP. That put a smile on my face.

It was just a half-baked idea. I don't feel strongly about it and would prefer to keep the status-quo.

I do think trades are going to remain the best way to move in to contention. (Particularly deals for injured stars and NBA starters, a la Stoudemire and Dunleavy, to use the skeptical wdleehi as an example). And I believe there are more rotation players to be found on the waiver wire than some assume.

We've also got Roy's fourth place team looking to move into third (or second) with an 11-0 victory over a GM now benching his entire lineup. Which is corny. (This is in no way a knock on Hobbs. I got a 9-2 win over Blake a month ago that likely would've been 7-4 or 6-5 if he'd played Durant, etc.)

[Lucky17]

We've also got Roy's fourth place team looking to move into third (or second) with an 11-0 victory over a GM now benching his entire lineup. Which is corny. (This is in no way a knock on Hobbs. I got a 9-2 win over Blake a month ago that likely would've been 7-4 or 6-5 if he'd played Durant, etc.)

Wow, I just noticed that. Is Blake AWOL, or tanking? Either way, it doesn't reflect well on him.

EDIT: Considering his last activity was today, I'd say tanking. I may step in this week and make sure every bottom-feeding team is fielding a full lineup.

[The Walker Wiggle]

It is what it is. But it does fly in the face of everyone's concern that the best draft picks go to the worst teams. That's happening some of the time but the rest are going to decent teams willing to throw it in early.

Take a look at Tim's B-Ball Monsters in Points League to see what Blake's squad might have done...

[Roy Hobbs]

I think the way to combat tanking is to put penalties on it.  Something like every team deemed to be tanking automatically moves down five positions in the final draft order.

[Kwhit10]

is there some way to do a lottery with teams that tank lose percentage points of their chances.

[yall hate]

I think the way to combat tanking is to put penalties on it.  Something like every team deemed to be tanking automatically moves down five positions in the final draft order.

I found this online (and posted it as a suggestion in the baseball thread)

If a fantasy player is determined to be intentionally trying to lose a game or games,
   “tanking” will be declared. If it appears that tanking is happening, the situation will
   be reviewed by the commissioner and presented to the league for a vote. Six votes from
   league members are needed to “declare tanking.” If a tanking is declared on a player,
   that player will automatically be moved to the #12 pick of the next draft (no matter if
   it is the mid-season or start of season draft). That player may also be subject to expulsion
   from the league if the disorderly conduct is severe enough.

It seems pathetic to need to resort to BS like this, but at the same time, it would instantly stop the tanking.  (the 6 and 12 mentioned above are for a 12 team league.  obviously the numbers could be tailored to fit our league)

[yall hate]

also, as an anti-tanking method, we could easily have a player who 'tanks' skipped in their pick for which nba team will represent them in the lottery.  So if, for example, Blake were to tank his way to 2nd worst record (and I think the worst 5 have their pick of nba teams to represent them), Blake would still have the 5th option of nba teams (thus decreasing his probability of winning the lottery).

[mkogav]

I don't like the idea of locking teams during the playoffs. There are always one or two good waiver players who get runs at the end of the season, e.g. Sessions and Chandler last year.

As far as tanking goes, I don't like it, but it happens. HOWEVER, when the same team tanks two strait years, IMO it is a problem. I would be in favor of anti-tanking rule(s). Whatever they may be.

Blake, yes I am talking about u.

Mk

 

[Lucky17]

Re: tanking: for the short term, I am assuming roster control of any team suspected of tanking. Managers of teams will still be able to make waiver claims, propose and accept trades, and post in the league.

Additionally, I think we could also vote as a league on how to punish blatant tanking for this season. I also think an automatic drop of 5 slots in the draft order is sufficient penalty.

Further, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your input and participation, with the hope that it will continue during this last month of the NBA season. During the next few weeks, while people are still attentive, I'd like to hammer out details for next season, including which managers should return and which shouldn't.