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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2009, 08:30:37 PM »

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Quote from: kozlodoev on March 05, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
No, this is actually the main reason why he hasn't gotten extended runs.

If he was a veteran, and was doing nothing out there, I might agree with you. But experience in the court is just about the right medicine to cure "invisibility"... it plagues just about most, if not all rookies. You play them more, give them more experience so that they feel more comfortable with themselves, with the situation, and with their elder peers. It's quite simple in this regard. Some get cured, some get worse, some stay the same... Walker seems like someone that will start asserting himself more as he gains more confidence (and you do that with more court time). And not only this, confidence from his teammates towards him, his invisibility might well be a consequence of not being one of the first options with the veterans.

But if you have a player, that is trying to learn how to play the right way, and by doing that he's keeping to himself, not forcing things, playing within the offense... then where's the harm? What does it matter really if he's invisible out there... in a way, if he was being eaten up defensively, wouldn't that make him visible? So in a way, his invisibility has some good qualities in it.

exactly
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2009, 09:06:58 PM »

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I predict the Cleveland game tomorrow will determine how Doc manages the team the rest of the year.  This is not really a prognostication more than common sense.  When the Celtics win, we will only be one game behind the Cavs in the loss column (I only watch the loss column, it makes sense when you are watching teams that win 75% of their games).  Then we have to push for home court and play our vets more.  However, on hte off-chance that the refs screw us (yes, I am joking) and we lose tomorrow, then we will be three games behind in the loss column with not many games remaining.  I predict then we will rest our starters a lot more for the playoffs.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2009, 09:48:18 PM »

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while agreeing that walker does not deserve extended minutes, i would hope he could play 5-8 minutes on a consistent basis instead of 12 minutes followed by 3-5 DNP and then 10 minutes with more DNPs.

by having walker play a consistent number of minutes at regular times in each game (end of 1st quarter, etc.) and with similar teammates, that could greatly increase his familiarity with plays, teammate tendencies, etc.

it would also teach his teammates HIS tendencies/abilities and build more trust and familiarity.

all of this might make his 5-8 minutes stretches more effective and allow him to perhaps give starters a rest even during the playoffs.

doc is bringing walker along very slowly, and i dont mind it. but by providing a consistent playing time and location within games, it would speed up the learning process and help the team.

but then, i am here at home writing on a blog and not coaching the celtics... and for that i thank danny since i would screw things up royally for the celtics.  :)
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2009, 03:37:22 AM »

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Didn't Doc do the same with Big Baby? Gave him very few minutes last season, then trusted him with a solid number of minutes in games *this* season?

Seems to have worked out pretty well...

I'm confident in his coaching skills.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2009, 07:57:21 AM »

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Quote from: Kiorrik on March 06, 2009, 03:37:22 AM
Didn't Doc do the same with Big Baby? Gave him very few minutes last season, then trusted him with a solid number of minutes in games *this* season?

Seems to have worked out pretty well...

I'm confident in his coaching skills.

well during the season our starting Center wasnt exactly capable of playing 48 minutes a game because of fatigue and early foul trouble, so the minutes NEEDED to be taken by somebody. Billy is the backup for a HOF'er who is also the captain, and most trusted scorer on the team.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2009, 08:07:38 AM »

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If that sums up the role we want Walker to take over, why not? He'll have his minutes some day or another.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2009, 10:52:20 AM »

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Getting Walker 8-12 minutes a night is important for having a healthy and fresh Paul Pierce, that alone makes it worth it.

The fact that Walker has the potential to be an energizing, two-way player further augments his value on the court. As long as he's not hurting the team with negative plays, you have to let him ease his way into the action, get comfortable, and then expand from there.

I really like him as a trio with Marbury and House - it gives the team a slashing element to play off of Marbury's dribble-penetration and Eddie's shooting.

I think the P&R potential with Powe is very high when Marbury is on the court and starting sets out like that and then adjusting based off the defense is a great way to create options for that 2nd unit.

No harm in letting Walker play - though i'll be amazed if Pierce doesn't play 40 minutes tonight...
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2009, 11:15:28 AM »

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Quote from: BillfromBoston on March 06, 2009, 10:52:20 AM
Getting Walker 8-12 minutes a night is important for having a healthy and fresh Paul Pierce, that alone makes it worth it.

The fact that Walker has the potential to be an energizing, two-way player further augments his value on the court. As long as he's not hurting the team with negative plays, you have to let him ease his way into the action, get comfortable, and then expand from there.

I really like him as a trio with Marbury and House - it gives the team a slashing element to play off of Marbury's dribble-penetration and Eddie's shooting.

I think the P&R potential with Powe is very high when Marbury is on the court and starting sets out like that and then adjusting based off the defense is a great way to create options for that 2nd unit.

No harm in letting Walker play - though i'll be amazed if Pierce doesn't play 40 minutes tonight...

tongiht i dont mind much if its needed, but I like your idea and would love to see it against other clubs.

I agree that marbury, espically this "I really, really want to fit in, look at me pass!" one we have on the court right now really benifits from a slasher.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2009, 02:17:43 PM »

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Quote from: crownsy on March 06, 2009, 11:15:28 AM
Quote from: BillfromBoston on March 06, 2009, 10:52:20 AM
Getting Walker 8-12 minutes a night is important for having a healthy and fresh Paul Pierce, that alone makes it worth it.

The fact that Walker has the potential to be an energizing, two-way player further augments his value on the court. As long as he's not hurting the team with negative plays, you have to let him ease his way into the action, get comfortable, and then expand from there.

I really like him as a trio with Marbury and House - it gives the team a slashing element to play off of Marbury's dribble-penetration and Eddie's shooting.

I think the P&R potential with Powe is very high when Marbury is on the court and starting sets out like that and then adjusting based off the defense is a great way to create options for that 2nd unit.

No harm in letting Walker play - though i'll be amazed if Pierce doesn't play 40 minutes tonight...

tongiht i dont mind much if its needed, but I like your idea and would love to see it against other clubs.

I agree that marbury, espically this "I really, really want to fit in, look at me pass!" one we have on the court right now really benifits from a slasher.

tonight we need to see marbury set up all four of his 2nd unit teammates with good looks.

pick&roll with leon
pick&pops with Mikki
backdoor cuts with billy
drive&kicks with Eddie

thats your homework steph.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2009, 03:16:36 PM »

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Quote from: BCelts on March 05, 2009, 09:06:58 PM
I predict the Cleveland game tomorrow will determine how Doc manages the team the rest of the year.  This is not really a prognostication more than common sense.  When the Celtics win, we will only be one game behind the Cavs in the loss column (I only watch the loss column, it makes sense when you are watching teams that win 75% of their games).  Then we have to push for home court and play our vets more.  However, on hte off-chance that the refs screw us (yes, I am joking) and we lose tomorrow, then we will be three games behind in the loss column with not many games remaining.  I predict then we will rest our starters a lot more for the playoffs.

This a very good call.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2009, 05:19:16 PM »

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Quote from: BCelts on March 05, 2009, 09:06:58 PM
I predict the Cleveland game tomorrow will determine how Doc manages the team the rest of the year.  This is not really a prognostication more than common sense.  When the Celtics win, we will only be one game behind the Cavs in the loss column (I only watch the loss column, it makes sense when you are watching teams that win 75% of their games).  Then we have to push for home court and play our vets more.  However, on hte off-chance that the refs screw us (yes, I am joking) and we lose tomorrow, then we will be three games behind in the loss column with not many games remaining.  I predict then we will rest our starters a lot more for the playoffs.

The only problem with this is that if we lose tonight, then Orlando will only be 1 back in the loss column...so we would still have plenty to play for.

Anyways, I expect Doc to continue to play Pierce between 38 and 42 minutes per game until KG comes back.  At that point, he will start cutting his minutes back, since he will feel better sitting Pierce down longer if KG is able to be out there for some of that time.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2009, 06:35:40 AM »

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Bill who?

Did anyone seem him? :P
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #57 on: March 07, 2009, 06:39:05 AM »

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Quote from: Kiorrik on March 07, 2009, 06:35:40 AM
Bill who?

Did anyone seem him? :P

Haha.  This is one night I think Doc made the right call playing Pierce a lot.  Psychologically, this game was too important.  I do think, though, that Doc needs to play Walker down the stretch.
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #58 on: March 07, 2009, 06:42:23 AM »

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:) I agree to that. But I couldn't resist asking :D
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Re: Billy Walker
« Reply #59 on: March 07, 2009, 09:03:21 AM »

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Doc definitely made the right decision not to play him last night. The game was too important, and the quality of the opponent was too high. Bill should get his PT against the weaker/non-contending teams. He shouldn't be able to play against the top level teams until he finds his nitch in our team offensively, and defensively.
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