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Which of these SG/SF do you want to see brought in as a "Lebron / Kobe stopper"?

Renaldo Balkman
0 (0%)
Matt Barnes
3 (14.3%)
Raja Bell
17 (81%)
Keith Bogans
0 (0%)
Grant Hill
1 (4.8%)
Fred Jones
0 (0%)

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Who Do you want as a Lebron / Kobe stopper? Vote Now !!
« on: February 19, 2009, 06:02:15 AM »

Offline rondohondo

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With the trade deadline approaching and the rumor of Joe Smith and Marbury possibly being bought out , I figured I'd take a look at another need for the Celtics, this years Lebron / Kobe stopper off the bench. With TA out for the remainder of the regular season it seems that if the celtics make a trade today, it will most likely be for a Wing SG/SF. I was looking through all the wings in the NBA on ESPN and these are the 6 SG/SF that could possibly be had with the contracts the Celtics are willing to move

SO which one do you want?


Renaldo Balkman  1.3 MIL

6'8       208 LBS      24 YEARS OLD

32G  13 MPG  4.6 PPG  56 FG%  20 3P%  75 FT%  3 REBS    0.5 AST  0.6 TO


Scouting report: A 6-8 leaper who excels in transition, Balkman's athleticism and energy makes him an excellent bench player. He's a bit of a tweener, as he's not quite big enough to play power forward but lacks the shooting skill to play small forward, but as a small-ball 4 coming off the bench he can be very effective.

Defensively he has the ability to be outstanding, something that has a better chance of being cultivated now that he's left New York, but his aggression is a double-edged sword. While his nose for steals and blocks creates turnovers and run-outs, he also takes himself out of position and fouls far too often -- his rate of 5.54 fouls per 40 minutes ranked 10th among power forwards.


Matt Barnes  797 K

6'7      226 LBS   28 YEARS OLD

48G  25MPG  9.3 PPG   41 FG%  33 3P%   70 FT%   5.3 REBS    2.2 AST     1.7 TO

Scouting report: When he isn't spotting up for 3s, Barnes basically plays as an energy guy who can come in at either forward spot. Though he's dramatically undersized for power forward at 6-7, 235 pounds, he's very tough and manages to hold his own on the glass. His problem is size mismatches in the post, which is why he tends to play in the frontcourt only in small-ball lineups; that was every day in Golden State, but is likely to be less often with his new employers.

Barnes handles the ball very well for his size and can be used as a point forward. He'll get out of control on drives to the basket at times and doesn't have the strength to post up or muscle his way to the hoop off the dribble, which is why he's mostly used as a spot-up shooter.


Raja Bell   5 MIL

6'5    215LBS   32 YEARS OLD

44G  33MPG  11.6PPG  45%FG'S   42 3P%   84 FT%  3.4 REBS    2.1APG    1 TO

Scouting report: A feisty, physical defender, Bell has value even if he only scores sporadically because he's one of the league's better stoppers. Last year he seemed to resort to less ref-baiting and flopping and focus more on straight up D, as he drew substantially fewer offensive fouls (still an impressive 31). He still had a strong impact, as the Suns gave up 3.2 points fewer per 48 minutes with him on the court, but subjectively his D didn't appear to have quite the same impact as in past seasons -- perhaps due to some nagging injuries that he played though.

Offensively, he's strictly a catch-and-shoot guy, but he can make them on the catch or coming off a pin-down. He'll also show the ball and then step in for a 2-point jumper; if nothing's there he'll move the ball immediately and as a result has posted decent assist numbers even though he never drives. Bell is also one of the few players who shoots the 3 as well from the wing as he does from the corner; in fact last year he was at 44.5 percent from the wing and just 35.9 percent from the corner.


Keith Bogans    2.5MIL

6'5       215LBS     28 YEARS OLD

40G  21MPG  5.5PPG   36 FG%    33 3P%    91 FT%    3 REBS    0.8 AST    0.5 TO

Scouting report: Bogans is 6-5 and a decent ball handler, but lacks the jets to get to the rim and the skill to finish once he arrives. As a result, he does nearly all his damage as a spot-up shooter, and in recent years he's embraced this role and stopped trying to be a scorer.

Bogans is a tough-minded defender who plays physical and has decent quickness, but he's not quick or springy enough to be in the elite category; short arms also hurt him on close-outs. He's a stay-at-home guy with low rates of blocks and steals, but has value as a specialist because he'll make his man work for his points and is a quiet sniper at the offensive end.


Grant Hill       1.7 MIL

6'8       225          36 YEARS OLD

52G   29MPG   11.2 PPG   53 FG%   33 3P%   81 FT%   4.7 REBS  2 AST   1.5 TO

Scouting report: Despite his frequent injuries, Hill's effectiveness on the court hasn't diminished much. He's still among the quickest forwards in the game, requiring defenders to play one or two steps off and dare him to shoot a midrange J, and he's still an excellent ball-handler and distributor for his size who comfortably operates as a point forward. Though he's a mediocre jump shooter, Hill is an excellent foul shooter who has hit over 80 percent in four of the past six seasons -- a useful strength given how often his drives result in foul shots, even if his FT rate has declined.

Defensively, Hill was surprisingly active last year, and the Suns gave up 5.1 points fewer per 48 minutes when he was on the floor. Post-up wings can overwhelm him, but he remains quick on his feet and made more of an effort last season than he had in Orlando.

Obviously, injuries are always a worry with Hill. He was reasonably healthy a year ago before breaking down at the end and missing the final two playoff games, but at this point it's folly to count on him for more than 2,000 minutes.

Fred Jones       459K

6'2       225LBS       33 YEARS OLD

26G    25MPG     7.2PPG  41%FG'S   40 3P%  80 FT%    2REBS       4.1 AST    1.5TO

Scouting report: Incredibly athletic and versatile, he can run the point and also excel in a shooting guard role. When he gets on a roll he can take over a game.
Despite his phenomenal jumping ability and quickness, he isn't much of a rebounder and doesn't shoot for a high percentage. His jumper is streaky and he doesn't bring much defensively. Has been somewhat injury-prone.





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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 06:09:01 AM »

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My first choice would be Raja Bell. He would be the perfect fit for this team , however I don't think it will happen.


I would love to see Matt Barnes here and I do think that could happen. He is only making 797K this years and is putting up very solid numbers for the minutes he is playing. He is a very good defender because he is soo long , kind of like Tayshon Prince. Remember just a few years ago he spent a lot of time guarding Dirk Nowitzki and did a very good job when GSW upset Dallas. I think he could do an adequte job on Lebron to give PP a rest here and ther .He can also knock down the 3 at a decent rate and has playoff experience .

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 06:10:13 AM »

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Bell. Mainly because of his character, because I think he *could* fit well. It's a gamble though, mainly because he's essentially Eddie House + D.

I'd have voted for Hill if it weren't for his injuries. We don't need another injury prone benchwarmer.

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 06:12:05 AM »

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Bell is my first choice, given his history with Kobe.
Matt Barnes would be a close 2nd, however Bell can hit the 3-ball better, which is probably what we need more of in comparison to what Barnes give on offence.
Though Barnes might be better at stopping LeBron.
Anything is possible!!!

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 06:31:31 AM »

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Bell is my first choice, given his history with Kobe.
Matt Barnes would be a close 2nd, however Bell can hit the 3-ball better, which is probably what we need more of in comparison to what Barnes give on offence.
Though Barnes might be better at stopping LeBron.


Yea this is how is see it  Raja would be more effective on Kobe and Barnes would be more effective on Lebron. I would personally rather have a Lebron stopper if I have to pick one. We would likely have TA back if we made it to the finals , but right now we really have no one other then PP who can at least slow down Lebron, I don want to hear scals name and Lebron brought up in the same sentence  ::)

The BIG difference between Bell and Barnes is their Salary, Bell is making 5 Mil and Barnes is making 757K.

Barnes could be had straight up for say Giddens and a pick or another player

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 06:38:34 AM »

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Bell.

Matt Barnes isn't a good defender, he's more of an enforcer. He has absolutely no chance of staying in front of wing players like Kobe or LeBron, too slow for that.

Balkman is a nice defender, scrappy and athletic, but not an individual stopper at all. He's very good playing another defensive role.

Bogans is an above average defender but very far from spectacular, he could slow down these guys in a good day in limited minutes but that's all.

Hill would be my second choice, he's disciplined and smart.


Finally, with the contracts the Celtics have, they won't land any of these players.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 06:52:31 AM »

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Bell.


Finally, with the contracts the Celtics have, they won't land any of these players.


The only one that is really a stretch, salary wise on that list is Raja Bell making 5 Mil. All the others are low priced easy to move contracts

Fred Jones    459K
Matt Barnes   797 K
Renaldo Balkman  1.3 MIL
Grant Hill       1.7 MIL
Keith Bogans    2.5MIL

The Celtics can surely put something together to land one of these guys. They will be sorry if they don't add a defensive wing to try and slow down Kobe and Lebron

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 06:57:49 AM »

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I'd take Raja Bell, but none of those guys are lebron stoppers
When you got it going, you got it going. I just keep my focus down the stretch. That's when I want the ball. I'm just not afraid to fail."-PaulPierce

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 06:58:56 AM »

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Bell.


Finally, with the contracts the Celtics have, they won't land any of these players.


The only one that is really a stretch, salary wise on that list is Raja Bell making 5 Mil. All the others are low priced easy to move contracts

Fred Jones    459K
Matt Barnes   797 K
Renaldo Balkman  1.3 MIL
Grant Hill       1.7 MIL
Keith Bogans    2.5MIL

The Celtics can surely put something together to land one of these guys. They will be sorry if they don't add a defensive wing to try and slow down Kobe and Lebron

Well, no problem in matching salaries, but the other teams would want something in return. The fact that those guys are not overpaid makes even more difficult to trade for them.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 07:00:33 AM »

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I'd take Raja Bell, but none of those guys are lebron stoppers

no one is a Lebron stopper :) I just mean some who has the ability to denfend Lebron for 5-8 min stretches when Pierce needs a rest

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 07:06:14 AM »

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Bell.


Finally, with the contracts the Celtics have, they won't land any of these players.


The only one that is really a stretch, salary wise on that list is Raja Bell making 5 Mil. All the others are low priced easy to move contracts

Fred Jones    459K
Matt Barnes   797 K
Renaldo Balkman  1.3 MIL
Grant Hill       1.7 MIL
Keith Bogans    2.5MIL

The Celtics can surely put something together to land one of these guys. They will be sorry if they don't add a defensive wing to try and slow down Kobe and Lebron

Well, no problem in matching salaries, but the other teams would want something in return. The fact that those guys are not overpaid makes even more difficult to trade for them.

Well there's no doubt to me Phoenix is going to start rebuilding next year, I could see them wanting to get a Giddens ,Pruitt ,BBD,Walker to start that process. Both Barnes and Hill are UFA at the end of the season anyways so why not get some young talent before they leave as free agents .

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 07:30:19 AM »

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there's another factor to take into account here. If we were - hope upon hope - somehow able to get Joe Smith, then for me that changes the need for a defensive wing.

Smith is such a good help defender for a big and we do so much trapping on Kobe and LeBron that after getting Smith, I would move my sights to a shooting wing at that point.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 07:50:51 AM »

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the only guy who might be available is balkman, and he's an aweful shooter. i'd trade him for POB or other junk (maybe a sam cassell trade exception and cash), but that's it...
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 08:41:08 AM »

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there is no such thing as a lbj or kobe stopper.  a solid wing defender would be nice, but we stop players like those guys as a team.

if i had my choice of the players listed, it would be a toss up between bell and hill

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 10:03:18 AM »

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We already have our Kobe stopper, and his name is Scalabrine.