What if Tinsley is bought out/cut?

[moiso]

dude is really talented. but maybe dangerous? right? were'nt people shooting at this guy in his car or somethin? i forget.

I think someone tried to run him over in a vehicle, then Stephen Jackson started shooting his gun.

[the_Bird]

Tinsley, if he's playing like he can, would be an upgrade over House and Pruitt, but not necessarily an upgrade over Cassell if Cassell is playing like he did 2 years ago. 

It'd be nice to see what Cassell can do so we can gauge what we need. 

Maybe Ainge and Doc know and just don't want to show anyone yet. 

Tinsley wouldn't take minutes away from House; the idea would be to have a legit PG on the floor so Eddie can play off the ball.  Tinsely's a little bigger than House; if he's inclined to D up (if he's not, don't pick up the phone), you might see him defend the SG and let Eddie pester the point.  If anything, I bet you'd see Tony Allen's minutes get cut and the Pruitt experiment shelved until next year.

Cassell...  I don't know, man.  If he's playing like he did most of last season, he makes a great coach. 

[StartOrien]

Could someone explain under what grounds Tinsley has to file a grievance?

Well, Indiana's paying him under his current contract, but by not being on the court they're hurting his chances of landing a lucrative contract down the road.  Hypothetically, if Tinsely were allowed to play and played at the level he's capable of (assuming - big assumption in this case) that has was healthy, he's an MLE-level player at least.  Not an All-Star, but he's got the talent of a legitimate NBA starter.

What kind of contract would he get now if he were a free agent?  If the Pacers never allow him on the court again, what kind of dollars is he looking at when he's negotiating with a new team?

Indiana's fulfulling their obligations (they're cutting him a check every two weeks), but they're hurting his long-term employment opportunties.

Now, whether they're justified in doing so is the question...

But how is this all that different then say, Patrick O'Bryant not playing? Couldn't O'Bryant make the same argument?

I mean, obviously O'Bryant's a semi ridiculous argument, b/c he's never performed at a high level but isn't it quite similar?

[Jon]

Tinsley, if he's playing like he can, would be an upgrade over House and Pruitt, but not necessarily an upgrade over Cassell if Cassell is playing like he did 2 years ago. 

It'd be nice to see what Cassell can do so we can gauge what we need. 

Maybe Ainge and Doc know and just don't want to show anyone yet. 

Tinsley wouldn't take minutes away from House; the idea would be to have a legit PG on the floor so Eddie can play off the ball.  Tinsely's a little bigger than House; if he's inclined to D up (if he's not, don't pick up the phone), you might see him defend the SG and let Eddie pester the point.  If anything, I bet you'd see Tony Allen's minutes get cut and the Pruitt experiment shelved until next year.

Cassell...  I don't know, man.  If he's playing like he did most of last season, he makes a great coach. 

I'm not sure that's the case.  I know everyone talks about freeing House to hit shots off screens, and that works fine in the regular season, but I don't think that works so well when we make the playoffs and we have to defensively contend with the likes of Joe Johnson, Hedo Turkoglu, LeBron James, and Rip Hamilton.  I have a feeling come playoff time that Tony Allen is going to get the backup minutes at the 2/3, which means that House is going to have to play point guard or sit on the bench.  Personally, I'm OK with the latter if we have a real PG out there. 

[the_Bird]

Tinsley, if he's playing like he can, would be an upgrade over House and Pruitt, but not necessarily an upgrade over Cassell if Cassell is playing like he did 2 years ago. 

It'd be nice to see what Cassell can do so we can gauge what we need. 

Maybe Ainge and Doc know and just don't want to show anyone yet. 

Tinsley wouldn't take minutes away from House; the idea would be to have a legit PG on the floor so Eddie can play off the ball.  Tinsely's a little bigger than House; if he's inclined to D up (if he's not, don't pick up the phone), you might see him defend the SG and let Eddie pester the point.  If anything, I bet you'd see Tony Allen's minutes get cut and the Pruitt experiment shelved until next year.

Cassell...  I don't know, man.  If he's playing like he did most of last season, he makes a great coach. 

I'm not sure that's the case.  I know everyone talks about freeing House to hit shots off screens, and that works fine in the regular season, but I don't think that works so well when we make the playoffs and we have to defensively contend with the likes of Joe Johnson, Hedo Turkoglu, LeBron James, and Rip Hamilton.  I have a feeling come playoff time that Tony Allen is going to get the backup minutes at the 2/3, which means that House is going to have to play point guard or sit on the bench.  Personally, I'm OK with the latter if we have a real PG out there. 

I've thought all along that we're missing a legitimate, defensive-minded wing player (someone like, say...   POSE! ).  I'm not sure that I want Tony Allen to be that guy, though.  The playoffs mean matching up with better wing players, but they also mean that mistakes are magnified.  We're so evenly matched up with Cleveland, I wouldn't be surprised if every game in a series was decided by less than 5 points; Tony Allen can lose 5 points for us before you can call a timeout.  My opinion only, but I think playing Eddie at the 2 for 15 minutes a night results in more net positive things than playing Tony out there.

Tinsley's not the answer to fix the need for another defender, but I'm not sure who's out there that is. 

[BrickJames]

We don't need another PG who can't shoot or, at this age, guard anyone.

We need a PG that can handle the ball, penetrate, and finish off the bench to provide a scoring punch to the "second unit".

The notion that Tinsley is a better option/more talented than Marbury is unbelievable...

[Jon]

Tinsley, if he's playing like he can, would be an upgrade over House and Pruitt, but not necessarily an upgrade over Cassell if Cassell is playing like he did 2 years ago. 

It'd be nice to see what Cassell can do so we can gauge what we need. 

Maybe Ainge and Doc know and just don't want to show anyone yet. 

Tinsley wouldn't take minutes away from House; the idea would be to have a legit PG on the floor so Eddie can play off the ball.  Tinsely's a little bigger than House; if he's inclined to D up (if he's not, don't pick up the phone), you might see him defend the SG and let Eddie pester the point.  If anything, I bet you'd see Tony Allen's minutes get cut and the Pruitt experiment shelved until next year.

Cassell...  I don't know, man.  If he's playing like he did most of last season, he makes a great coach. 

I'm not sure that's the case.  I know everyone talks about freeing House to hit shots off screens, and that works fine in the regular season, but I don't think that works so well when we make the playoffs and we have to defensively contend with the likes of Joe Johnson, Hedo Turkoglu, LeBron James, and Rip Hamilton.  I have a feeling come playoff time that Tony Allen is going to get the backup minutes at the 2/3, which means that House is going to have to play point guard or sit on the bench.  Personally, I'm OK with the latter if we have a real PG out there. 

I've thought all along that we're missing a legitimate, defensive-minded wing player (someone like, say...   POSE! ).  I'm not sure that I want Tony Allen to be that guy, though.  The playoffs mean matching up with better wing players, but they also mean that mistakes are magnified.  We're so evenly matched up with Cleveland, I wouldn't be surprised if every game in a series was decided by less than 5 points; Tony Allen can lose 5 points for us before you can call a timeout.  My opinion only, but I think playing Eddie at the 2 for 15 minutes a night results in more net positive things than playing Tony out there.

Tinsley's not the answer to fix the need for another defender, but I'm not sure who's out there that is. 

I hardly love Tony Allen myself and I absolutely agree that we should have resigned Posey; however, what do you do against the Cavs when Pierce is out of the game?  Put House on him?  Put Ray Allen?  Neither is a great option, given LeBron's size.  TA isn't tall either, but he's a tougher defender than either guy. 

Like I said, offensively I like the idea of House at the 2.  I also like it in the regular season, where House is guarding some backup 2.  I don't like it in the playoffs when rotations shorten and House will be matched up with elite 2s and 3s. 

[cordobes]

Some of the experts such as Ford and Hollinger had Tinsley ranked as the number one defender at the point guard position a few years ago.  I never even heard marbury mentioned as even good.  But that was a few years ago, obviously Tinsley could have lost a step since then.

Experts... 

Tinsley has been horrid defensively for awhile. When he was good, he was recovering from injuries a third of the time, lazy and apathetic another third and an excellent gambler the remaining third. Then again, more recently I remember feeling sorry for Carlisle because Tinsley's (lack of) defense alone was costing them games.

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The notion that Tinsley is a better option/more talented than Marbury is unbelievable...

As someone who never thought that Marbury was all that talented, I agree. The only thing Tinsley has (or had) on Marbury is dribbling the ball between the opponents legs and that kind of stuff.

[hpantazo]

why do we need/want another backup pg? Don't we have House, Gabe, and Sam? I think the only players we should look at are backup centers, period.

[EJPLAYA]

... then the Pacers will be rid of a cancer on their team who has long since passed his best days. I feel happy for Larry.