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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 04:42:30 PM »

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While I believe we need another player at least 6'10" and strong, I still cannot help but think the bench is not as much the problem, as it is the way Doc uses the bench. The guys that go out on the second unit are largely being played out of position. And the argument against playing some of the other guys is that they don't produce (fill a stat sheet).  But if using the bench differently gets players playing their best positions, why not go that route?

What route? Are they playing out of position? I guess, it's the price to pay when all you have an undersized SG, a SG, 2 undersized PF and a tweener PF.

Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 04:58:31 PM »

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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 05:02:34 PM »

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While I believe we need another player at least 6'10" and strong, I still cannot help but think the bench is not as much the problem, as it is the way Doc uses the bench. The guys that go out on the second unit are largely being played out of position. And the argument against playing some of the other guys is that they don't produce (fill a stat sheet).  But if using the bench differently gets players playing their best positions, why not go that route?

because Doc just won't do what we can all see he should. he wants to use the bench as a unit. It worked great to use PP, Ray, Scal, House and baby and with scal out he's decided to do it differently and go back to one starter and 4 bench players. Its classic doc. You have to grow to like doc and not want to replace him but he is just awful when it come to sensible rotations. So he is just NOT going to bring guys in one at a time, ie, always keep say 3 starters on the floor. It doesn't work well to do what he does but he is gonna keep doing it.  Posey being on the bench covered up some of this problem. We need more players to cover up this problem again

Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 05:02:50 PM »

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need a point to let edie play the 2....need length

Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2009, 05:33:02 PM »

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I've been wondering what Danny's been thinking since the night we grabbed the trophy in June.

Not gonna win a title with this bench. Period.

He's been thinking about 2011 and having cap space.  That's insane.  I don't care how much cap space we have in 2011 if we don't win more titles between now and then. 

I really doubt that. That's just the refuge of the anti-Posey and the Danny does no wrong crowd, the people perpetually fascinated with rebuilding.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2009, 07:20:03 PM »

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I don't think he's looking much as far as trades go... if something comes along, it comes along, but I don't think he'll bend himself backwards to make something happen.
I believe that he must have something specific in mind. Otherwise why not sign Mutumbo?

And Coach Bo, while I agree with your basic stance on this, I would find it much easier to agree with you if you weren't so obnoxious in making your point. There's no reason to say the same thing over and over again, each time finding another way to insult those who don't share your opinion.


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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2009, 07:37:43 PM »

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I've been wondering what Danny's been thinking since the night we grabbed the trophy in June.

Not gonna win a title with this bench. Period.

He's been thinking about 2011 and having cap space.  That's insane.  I don't care how much cap space we have in 2011 if we don't win more titles between now and then. 

I really doubt that. That's just the refuge of the anti-Posey and the Danny does no wrong crowd, the people perpetually fascinated with rebuilding.


Then what is he thinking?


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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2009, 07:49:09 PM »

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We better do something, because it is very clear we don't have a good enough bench consistently to maintain or build leads against the better teams. Last year we were 6-2 vs. LA, Cleveland, and San Antonio. This year we are 1-4 against them. That should dispel all myths about the "We're 42-11 and just fine" idea being accurate. We are beating the bad teams and usually good teams, but against elite competition we aren't beating anyone but the Magic.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2009, 08:42:14 PM »

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We better do something, because it is very clear we don't have a good enough bench consistently to maintain or build leads against the better teams. Last year we were 6-2 vs. LA, Cleveland, and San Antonio. This year we are 1-4 against them. That should dispel all myths about the "We're 42-11 and just fine" idea being accurate. We are beating the bad teams and usually good teams, but against elite competition we aren't beating anyone but the Magic.

The bench situation is just sad. Every team probably plans to make a run when they're on the floor. This bench is getting flat out-hustled out there. One of the strengths of last year's bench was their energy and hustle play. A lot of loose balls and rebounds going the other way this season that's keeping the other team in the game.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2009, 09:43:51 PM »

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My guess would be Ainge does nothing as far as trades. He will try to pick up a cut player. He's not going to trade our big assets (the big 3, or Rondo or Perk), no one wants the rest of our players. Scal will help once he's healthy. My opinion on our fix is instant offense off the bench in the form of Bill Walker.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 10:46:37 PM »

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I've been wondering what Danny's been thinking since the night we grabbed the trophy in June.

Not gonna win a title with this bench. Period.

He's been thinking about 2011 and having cap space.  That's insane.  I don't care how much cap space we have in 2011 if we don't win more titles between now and then. 

I really doubt that. That's just the refuge of the anti-Posey and the Danny does no wrong crowd, the people perpetually fascinated with rebuilding.


Then what is he thinking?



Anything I could offer would be supposition. My guess is that he and Wyc decided they could put together a bench out of the dumpster without paying Posey.

We're seeing what the results of that hubris actually are.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2009, 10:49:19 PM »

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I don't think he's looking much as far as trades go... if something comes along, it comes along, but I don't think he'll bend himself backwards to make something happen.
I believe that he must have something specific in mind. Otherwise why not sign Mutumbo?

And Coach Bo, while I agree with your basic stance on this, I would find it much easier to agree with you if you weren't so obnoxious in making your point. There's no reason to say the same thing over and over again, each time finding another way to insult those who don't share your opinion.

Personal attacks are always nice.

Funny. What I find truly obnoxious is some of the outright fabrications that keep appearing on this board. Revisionist history on this board isn't going to escape unanswered. Whether you like that or not is not my concern.
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Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2009, 10:49:31 PM »

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I've been wondering what Danny's been thinking since the night we grabbed the trophy in June.

Not gonna win a title with this bench. Period.

He's been thinking about 2011 and having cap space.  That's insane.  I don't care how much cap space we have in 2011 if we don't win more titles between now and then. 

I really doubt that. That's just the refuge of the anti-Posey and the Danny does no wrong crowd, the people perpetually fascinated with rebuilding.


Then what is he thinking?



Anything I could offer would be supposition. My guess is that he and Wyc decided they could put together a bench out of the dumpster without paying Posey.

We're seeing what the results of that hubris actually are.

Yep 42-11 after the hardest beginning of a schedule in recent memory. The development of Rajon Rondo into an All-Star caliber Point Guard. Eddie House riding one of the most ridiculous hot streaks in recent memory. Ray Allen actually improving in the system. Baby becoming more of a versatile player.

Whoops, this was a sky is falling thread. Sorry Chicken Littles.

Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2009, 11:47:01 PM »

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I don't think he's looking much as far as trades go... if something comes along, it comes along, but I don't think he'll bend himself backwards to make something happen.
I believe that he must have something specific in mind. Otherwise why not sign Mutumbo?

And Coach Bo, while I agree with your basic stance on this, I would find it much easier to agree with you if you weren't so obnoxious in making your point. There's no reason to say the same thing over and over again, each time finding another way to insult those who don't share your opinion.

Personal attacks are always nice.

Funny. What I find truly obnoxious is some of the outright fabrications that keep appearing on this board. Revisionist history on this board isn't going to escape unanswered. Whether you like that or not is not my concern.

You are such a black and white thinker and you lump everyone not of a like mind to you  into the category of "too ignorant to acknowledge."

Unfortunately, your coaching resume doesn't qualify you to understand a myriad of variables that an NBA front office executive has to factor into his year-to year planning.

Lost in all your rhetoric is the simple fact that Ainge made offers ot a number of veteran FA at the positions you have continually pointed out need addressing - which clearly shows that he understood what the areas of concern were on the team.

The fact that he didn't value those areas as much as you did doesn't make you correct in stating that he "screwed up" by not offering more - the team IS 42-11 and played the waiver wire game last year in order to acquire their key veterans - not free agency.

Looking at the FA market over the next THREE seasons, it is clear that it was wiser to not over-commit to modest FA's from this past off-season, hope to acquire some place-holder waiver-wire acquisitions, and then spend money with more impact this off-season..

Acting like every off-season is its own self-contained entity is myopic and inaccurate - as is deciding that not paying Posey for 4 seasons was the wrong choice...this Celtics team was head and shoulders better than the rest of the league last year.

Assuming that one 3-point/defending wing role player would be the difference between title contention and oblivion would be foolish. The team HAS a veteran PG on the roster in Cassell and is HIGHLY likely to add a veteran big man before the playoffs - at which point the minor holes that have led to narrow defeats against the elite, (only Cle game was out of reach before the 2 minute mark,) will be a moot and hollow complaint.

You are impatient and equate long-term thinking to be mutually exclusive to short-term planning and competitiveness - its not...


Re: Anyone else wondering what Danny may be thinking (roster changes)?
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2009, 12:43:20 AM »

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I've been wondering what Danny's been thinking since the night we grabbed the trophy in June.

Not gonna win a title with this bench. Period.

He's been thinking about 2011 and having cap space.  That's insane.  I don't care how much cap space we have in 2011 if we don't win more titles between now and then. 

I really doubt that. That's just the refuge of the anti-Posey and the Danny does no wrong crowd, the people perpetually fascinated with rebuilding.


  As opposed to the budgets don't exist in real life and the James Posey is the best 6th man ever crowd? The ones who spent the summer predicting we'd never have anywhere near the record we have now unless the big three were being run into the ground?